No one should be using MySQL since 2010.
Apache Phoenix: allow me to introduce myself
Who?
Apache Phoenix
MySQL belongs to Oracle. That’s literally all you need to.know in order to avoid it.
Isn’t that the point of Postgresql. It’s basically an open source version of MySQL.
I’m sure there are some proprietary nonsense that MySQL has, but I’ve never needed it in 17 years
afaik MariaDB is the open source version of MySQL
Postgres is basically an open source version of Oracle DB. Much more featureful than MySQL. I believe Oracle bought MySQL just to kill it.
MySQL always sucked ass.
PostgreSQL went in a different direction, started with best support of the SQL standard, then optimized everything to make it fast.
Postgres has/had the best SQL standard support out of every server, open-source or not.
MySQL was at the other end, only started catching up after Oracle bought it.
MariaDB
That is an insult to PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL was fully featured relational database even before it implemented SQL. It started much earlier tha MySQL.
And MySQL didn’t have proper transactions or data integrity constraints (including foreign keys) for long time, while calling itself an ‘SQL database’.
Thank you, I never had time to read up on its history when I was busy smashing out sites on stupid deadlines with constant last minute changes and morons for project managers.
I can’t keep track of all this shit we’ve csnceled. The hell did Oracle do?
When they bought Sun, they:
- killed Solaris, effectively
- tried to kill zfs too
- nearly killed mysql with licensing audits
- became borderline evil with licensing practices
- acted like complete assholes in court, holding up cases for years
You forgot what they did to Java, plus they sued Google for using Java API.
and OpenOffice and VirtualBox
Sun was such a useful contributor to the ecosystem and they fucking trashed absolutely everything. It’s a miracle that so much stuff could be saved.
Oracle triggered a fork bomb.
Hatred of Oracle predates “cancelling” by decades. Oracle is and has always been one of, if not the most disgusting and vicious companies in tech. They kill everything they touch.
If you need a political component, then Oracle = Larry Ellison, but Oracle hate predates and supercedes the American political slide into fascism.
I was at a party about fifteen years ago. A guy introduced himself and we gabbed for a few minutes. Then he asked what I do for work (IT sysadmin at the time) and I told him and asked the same. He said he was in sales for a tech company. I asked which one, and he stepped close and whispered, “Oracle.” I could see he was prepared for me to bring the hate. He saved himself when he told me he was actually leaving for a gig at Dell. Later, I learned from the host that he made that part about leaving up because he felt bad. I later learned he went to work for Nutanix. Poor guy hated his own employer, and it was obvious.
Nutanix…oof. I deal with them every day. It isn’t their fault their shit can’t handle what we do, but it is their sales folk that constantly lie and misrepresent.
Wanna know one of rhe big reasons people hate Oracle so much? It’s their sales guys. They are awful. If that guy went from Oracle to Nutanix, that tells me that I cannot trust a single syllable out of their mouth.
Lol! I’m glad you picked on that. I won’t badmouth them, but the user experience does that for them. That guy from the party must hate himself, haha
Sales? No, their sales department is second to their legal department in hate.
“Lets use Oracle DB for that.”
Statements made by the utterly deranged.
I don’t know the actual reason, but I personally get a bad vibe every time I see the logo because usually it means I’m trying to install or fix some java bullshit, which never goes well.
The hell did Oracle do?
Have you been living under a rock? Think 2010 for starters…
Oh so it’s a greed thing, but not quite a Nestlé level of evil thing, then. Meh.
Only due to lack of capability, not desire.
You clearly haven’t tried using one of there services APIs.
I mean, Nestlé killed hundreds of thousands in impoverished countries. I think the Oracle service APIs can’t be that bad, though I’m sure they would be if it made Larry Ellison $50.
Can you elaborate on Nestlé?
I know they’re shit and avoid anything Nes* but am unaware of actual data.They ware widely regarded as among the most villainous companies in history along with DeBeers and the East India Trading Company. Among their more infamous crimes against humanity include bribing the leaders of developing nations to sign over water rights to aquifers their people are using, which they take completely for bottling, destroying the local ecosystem and population. When the malnourished mothers can’t produce milk to feed their babies, they say things like “use our baby formula instead then, which is much healthier than natural milk”. If there’s not already a Behind he Bastards on them, someone could make a whole podcast just on their villainy.
Why would you keep track? Can’t form your own opinions?!
And what the fuck hasn’t Oracle done? Like, seriously, they’ve been a known bad actor for literally decades now…
I’m sorry I don’t follow this company’s actions as closely as you do. I can’t even remember the last time I used Oracle-branded software. (Unless you count MySQL, which I’ve never had an issue with. It just works.)
how did the joke go? “one rich asshole called larry ellison”?
what’s the joke part?
It spells Oracle.
Oracle sees itself as an activist organization, one whose goal is the advancement of the Israeli colonization project. Safra Catz, the company’s Israeli-American CEO, bluntly explained that any employees uncomfortable with supporting a genocide should simply quit. “We are not flexible regarding our mission, and our commitment to Israel is second to none” (source)
Hmm, MySQL or PostgreSQL—how will we ever decide which one to pick.
wow, I didn’t need any more reasons not to support Oracle but thanks anyway
Dude. You never finish.
Perhaps MariaDB is a better choice.
What rock do you live under if you’re using MySQL over MariaDB?
Older people about to return to programming, and most of the online tutorials they have are about 20 years old, having no idea an alternative exists.
Wamp anyone? (I think thats what its called, im at work and cant check my pc) Or am i the odd one out.
Didn’t Postgresql effectively win the database wars? Why use anything else?
Postgres or sqlite are the only ones I ever consider nowadays.
If only the upgrade process wasn’t so annoying with postgres…
What do you mean?
Stop DB, run pg_upgrade, start it, win?
Or set up logical replication into newer version, wait for sync, test use-cases, switch write?
Where do you get better experience?
See also duckdb and clickhouse for OLAP of course.
Are there real advantages to using either MySQL or MariaDB instead of PostgreSQL?
Operating and securing Postgres is a steeper learning curve.
Is Maria that much better than MySQL?
Cause that one is absolute shit, very difficult to maintain, and requires lots of config changes and even replicas can disconnect when something’s not 100% ok.
I will take Postgres over any other DB any day of the week.
Is Maria that much better than MySQL?
MariaDB is MySQL’s fork, initiated by the main developers, so…
Does that mean it’s still an utter borderline unusable shit?
I’d say ti’s a little bit better.
If you’re constrained by resources (CPU/RAM).
There’s a reason most web hosts usually have mariadb and not postgres.
Depends on the task but for general usage there is no big difference. You would choose one over the other if you need one for work.
No. But there are a number of advantages of using PostgreSQL over the others.
Yeah,
I did a speed test comparison between Oracle MySQL and MariaDB MySQL,
MariaDB is about 10 times faster.FYI: When Oracle bought MySQL a lot of developers left and created MariaDB, so the brains behind the project moved, and in the meantime Oracle did a great job of fucking things up.
That’s not what I asked. I asked about a comparison of both of them to PostgreSQL.
Oh misread my bad,
not much experience with PostgreSQL
MySQL often has moderately higher performance (particularly for workloads where you want your data clustered by PK, which is how InnoDB is natively structured) and its replication system is much more flexible than either of PostgreSQL’s. I like Percona personally, but MariaDB is fine too.
Is it true?
Postgres with correct fillfactor, it doesn’t create new pages and works very fast.
Replication in MySQL always sucked ass, only received synchronous replication in some new edition, and that also didn’t sound great.
Postgres has logstream and logical replication, both of them can be set to various levels of synchronicity, and logical replication is configurable at least as well as MySQL is in terms of which data is sent.
Clearly you can’t use MySQL because it isn’t webscale.
MariaDB >>>
I’ve been using it since ever on my rpi because they say it’s easier on resources
Who are “they”?
We use MariaDB at work but I don’t know why it was originally chosen over PostgreSQL, as that was before my time.
Blogs and forums back then when I looked it up.
Can’t remember exactly where (since it’s been a long time ago), but I’m sure more than someone claimed it.
I didn’t know this was ever in question?
Also stop calling it “my sequel”
stop calling it “my sequel”
Why?
Sequel is Microsoft. S-Q-L is Linux.
Microsoft’s is “squeal”. Like a pig. When you get the bill.
Why would anyone ever choose mysql over postgres?
MySQL has been the “default” choice for a long time for PHP programmers. I don’t know why.
@Scrollone @BrilliantantTurd4361 Because it used to be a lot faster than postgresql for smaller sites. MyISAM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyISAM) was super lightweight, at the expense of the occasional corrupt database (oops).
I don’t know how many new people are coming to PHP these days (as opposed to javascript/python/rust/etc), but certainly the older PHP coders grew up using mysql.
Tutorials mostly.
It used to be free with less of a barrier to entry than postgres
LAMP indeed
We need LAPP . Stat!
MariaDB is not always a drop-in replacement. There’s several features that MySQL has that MariaDB doesn’t, especially related to the optimizer (for some types of queries, MySQL will give you a more optimized execution plan compared to MariaDB). It’s also missing some newer data types, like JSON (which indexes the individual fields in JSON objects to make filtering on them more efficient).
MariaDB and MySQL are both fine. Even though MySQL doesn’t receive as much development any more, it doesn’t really need it. It works fine. If you want a better database system, switch to PostgreSQL, not MariaDB.
