Looking for non-US cloud storage. The more paranoid the better!
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As the prices widely varry by storage size, you may want to add a size estimate, but i can say that anything above a couple tb is probably more expansive than finding a selhosted solution.
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They are from the US, no?
Not pricey, e2ee clients, open source, servers in Germany, 10gb free tier to try them out. Been using them for a few years now. The clients used to be a bit crap but they’re very good now.
I haven’t found how to connect Filen’s S3 to BackRest… the only thing keeping me from using the 110 Go I have with them to double backup my local backup on another drive.
Then don’t go to the cloud! (or use encrypted storage if you really have to)
My view: Unless I can access the hardware 24/7/365 the data isn’t mine for ‘they’ can deny me access to my data anytime while they keep full access. (hence store it decryped)
A hard drive in a PO Box; data encrypted. Retrieve it occasionally to sync it with your local storage.
Or family.
This is good, if they:
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- Understand & trust what you’re doing and don’t fiddle with it
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- Don’t understand and just don’t fiddle with it
Luckily I have a family member that fits one of those categories.
I completely get the paranoia component of needing to control all factors involved. I have that too regarding my data. But at some point trust is needed.
PO boxes can burn down. The power grid can fry everything. Even the backup as soon as you plug it in. The government can create a kind of gestapo and let them loose and you won’t have the right to run a server anyways (uh?). Etc…
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I use filen and koofr
Why both? Any preference?
if this is for privacy i’d just use the cheapest/fastest option that supports rclone and use its encrypted upload feature.
This. Assuming you are following the 3,2,1 schema, if the big, bad American boogie man gets it, it will be encrypted (useless), and backed up elsewhere.
Just use client-side encryption, then it doesn’t matter where it goes
Kopia is great for this. Choose your encryption, built in support for different provider storage tyoes in the GUI to choose where to go, dedupe, folder structure scramble, etc…
But their flatpak hasn’t been updated in ages…
I can recommend Hetzner Storage Boxes. The company is located in Germany, but you can choose server locations in Germany and in Finland. You can set it up with Rclone’s Crypt feature to encrypt all your files.
TIL rclone can encrypt. Storage box also supports borg if someone prefers. Borg is cool. It also deduplicates the archive saving a lot of space.
Same setup here, Hetzner/Rclone with enc. Script runs daily on the NAS to beam everything up. Very happy.
Make at least one offline copy of what you need to decrypt and keep separate though. An inaccessible encrypted backup is no backup at all.
+1 for Hetzner
I’m using restic to encrypt my files (content + filenames)
I’ve been using Hetzner boxes for my backups, although I did need to send them a copy of my id, which may or may not fit the paranoia thing.
Of course, encryption is always worth it.
- shadow.tech (fast, not so expensive)
- Proton Drive
- or look for a managed Nextcloud solution (Murena Workspace, etc.)
Can uploads to Proton Drive be automated?
Syncthing and an old android device with a big ass ssd connected
What about hetzner storeagebox? https://www.hetzner.com/de/storage/storage-box/ with client side encryption ? It’s cheap and reliable, supports all common file transfer methods - the encryption can and likely should anyway be done by your preferred backup tool?
Others have suggested: encrypt data on your side and you don’t need to worry about where you store it. Cryptomator is a good option.
As for storage, the feedback on Hetzner boxes seems to be good and i’m happy with mega.Borg Base offers EU based server locations. They have been awesome to work with.
They also support restic if you get annoyed at borg lock issues.
And the company is based in Malta
pCloud is pretty good, and there is an option for an EU server. It doesn’t have a Linux client though, so now I use Jottacloud, which is hosted in Norway and has a (CLI) Linux client that works quite well! I also have a locally hosted Nextcloud instance as another backup. More backups is always good!
pCloud has a Linux client. Both GUI and CLI. But I personally use rclone for all cloud services. It is often even more reliable and offers better performance than official clients. It also allows managing multiple cloud services from the same place. It supports client-side encryption as well.
Are you using rclone for nextcloud? I really wish they implement VFS at some point! This is the only thing I am missing from my windows days as the daily driver.
I currently use Infomaniak object storage with restic. I like it since it’s Openstack and if they ever go to shit I can easily switch to another Openstack provider. OVH is also one I have used in the past.
