Hi,
I an currently trying to add remote access to 2 of my servers but didn’t manage to get a working setup as is.
Right now I want to access 2 servers:
- one is for media stuff (navidrome, jellyfin, managing the arr stack)
- one is for my data syncing with rsync and after set a backup from borg to another server not on my domain
I was trying at some point to add stuff such as tailscale, but somehow I always had issues with having both servers reachable within the IP range I use on my local network, so everything would work as is with the current config at home being away. I have also heard of cloudflare tunnels as well, but that I didn’t try yet. At some point I tried to do just a regular wireguard from my opnsense, but I would prefer not to have open ports to worry about (and also had issues with internal IP not being assigned from wireguard as well).
Does anyone here has experience with this? If so, what was your solution and/or caviats to it?
You should keep trying with tailscale, did you read the docs? (tailscale provides amazing documentation), you dont need to install the client on every device, for that use subnet routers, all is in the docs. Give it another try and post back what issues you are having.
All you need is Wireguard with IP forwarding allowed on the host, maybe some firewall rules if you have one. You configure your wire guard client to only route traffic for your network IPs. I leave my wire guard client connected 100% of the time.
This is the way. Quite secure and private. It is not complicated to set up, just have to get the keys and copy them in the right places (and protect the private keys) and do the forwarding to a VPN endpoint on your network.
If the servers have public IPs and you want the minimum possible ports open, just SSH? With passwords disabled and large keys, it’s quite secure.
If that’s still not enough for you or you need a private gateway, then Wireguard. I can strongly recommend Tailscale - It’s really an orchestration layer on top of Wireguard. You can setup your own Derp relays and head scale if you are truly paranoid. But 99.9% you don’t need all that and Tailscale out of the box will work well.
Also Tailscale isn’t a single point of failure the way you’re imagining. It’s certainly possible for Tailscale’s servers to go down, but that won’t drop existing connections.
I think you’re overthinking it. Wireguard is considered the “gold standard” and an excellent solution for what you’re trying to do. Open ports can be a concern, but an open Wireguard port is completely silent when not in use and does not respond unless it receives the correct access keys. That makes it invisible to port scanners.
Wireguard on my OpenWRT router works flawlessly. If the router is working the WG endpoint is too, and there are no 3rd parties involved. Tailscale provides much the same thing, but as I understand it requires the involvement of multiple 3rd party services. I’ve been burned too many times by terms of service changes and security breaches so I wanted to avoid relying on any corporate entities wherever possible.
Tasker brings up the tunnel on my phone automatically whenever I’m not connected to my home wifi and drops it when I get back home, so my home servers are always available. My biggest problem when not at home is Verizon’s crappy mobile network.
IMO it’s worth the effort to properly configure Wireguard and get your servers working. Once you get it set up you probably won’t have to touch it for years.
I get what you’re saying, but how exactly the whole IP rotation is done in your case? How did you manage to have it accessible at all times even when your home IP changes? In my home I actually have ipv6 which I am not sure if it does not make things more difficult
DDNS (Dynamic DNS), one 3rd party service I do use.
My network is reached by URL, not IP (although IP still works). When my IP changes the router updates the DDNS service in minutes. Lots of providers out there and it’s easy to switch if needed. I like DuckDNS. It’s free or you can choose to donate a bit to cover their expenses.
Can also check one more time wireguard directly. Thanks!
Give it a robot that can read your handwriting, & write snail-mail lettres to it?
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Just expose it on single-stack IPv6. Nobody ever knocks. The address space is not scannable.
The moment you get a TLS cert, it’ll show up in Certificate Transparency logs and apparently the attack bots scan that for targets.
The way Tailscale works, you don’t need to worry to much about your local IP address. You can just use the Tailscale IP address and it will connect as if you were local using the fastest route. That’s the beauty of a mesh VPN. Each device knows the fastest route to each other.
Without more information I can’t really tell what issue you are actually having, but if your system has internet, you have a local IP and if the system is showing as up on your tailscale dashboard than it will have a tailscale IP. Not being able to connect using one or the other would be a configuration issue. Whatever service you are having trouble with is probably only listening to one of the interfaces but not the other.
I’m assuming you are running a linux or unix box, but try running the command
ip addr. Assuming you have the package installed, it will tell you all of your IP addresses for the system you run the command on. The list may be quite long if you have a lot of docker containers running. The commandtailscale ipwill do the same but limited to your tailscale IP addresses.How did you config tail scale though? Are you using some Apple or MS author account? I want to stay away with using one of their services to “authorize” connecting to my own server
Are you using some Apple or MS author account?
Google and Github SSO were the only options when I originally setup tailscale. There are a few more options now including what looks like every self-hosted OIDC provider I’ve ever heard of, and a few I hadn’t.
How did you config tail scale though?
There are a couple options depending on how you are using it. Most of the time I just use the
tailscalecommand to configure each node.Most systems were just
sudo tailscale up --sshto get it up and running, although I have one system setup as a subnet router to give me outside-the-house access to systems that I can’t put tailscale on. That was a little more involved but it was still pretty straightforward and well documented. Their documentation is actually very well written and is worth the read.
Apache guacamole is something I wish I had when I started. Let’s you connect with telnet, ssh, RDP, or VNC using html5
“how do I add remote access to my servers?”
don’t.
create a new server that’s accessible via VPN and then access your servers from there. then actively log all connections from that device and alert anytime someone or something connects to it.
what is more secure? a house with twenty front doors or a house with one front door and an alarm on it.
If you check my edit that is kind of what I was hoping to do from the start: have a hop server (or stepping stone, both terms apply), and from there I do what I need to do
I switched from tail scale to pangolin for reverse proxy. Does everything. Auth, VPN, hidden services, public services. Fantastic piece of software
I’m behind CGNAT. My OpenWrt router is a Netbird server that can be connected externally. Having the Netbird server in the router allows me to ssh devices or use services as if I was connected via WiFi.
There’s documentation for Opnsense as well -(https://docs.opnsense.org/manual/how-tos/netbird.html)
I will check if this can work for me, but sounds like it is the kind of solution I am looking for
After everything is setup, create a network route to distribute an ip to machines connected to you lan. I can’t recall exactly but setting up Netbird was pretty straightforward when following the documentation. They also have their own for Opnsense - (https://docs.netbird.io/get-started/install/opnsense)
Have you tried adding Tor hidden services? It was the easiest solution for me to expose ports from behind the provider’s NAT to my phone when not at home.
Never tried hidden services from tor. Can check how that works but not sure if it is the solution I am looking for. Thanks for the info anyways!
For remote management, I just enable SSH, configure it to run on some non-standard port and enable Fail2ban… Make sure I use certificates or secure passwords and also check if fail2ban is actually doing its job. Never had any issues with that setup.
For the services I’ll either use a reverse proxy, plus configure the applications not to allow infinite login attempts, or Wireguard / a VPN.
For remote management, I just enable SSH, configure it to run on some non-standard port and enable Fail2ban… Make sure I use certificates or secure passwords and also check if fail2ban is actually doing its job. Never had any issues with that setup.
This is what I’ve done for years, but I sometimes feel like it’s not a great solution from a security standpoint.
Though I have switched from fail2ban to Crowdsec, which did end up banning my own connection attempts when I forgot to whitelist myself, so that seems secure enough.
Do you want to expose port 80/443 and set up a reverse proxy or do you want to use a VPN tunnel? You could just use SSH to port 80 and 443 like so:
ssh -L 80:<local-server-ip>:80 -L 443:<local-server-ip>:443 <username>@<domain>I expose port 80/443 and use Caddy as a reverse proxy together with Authelia to protect anything that I deem needs an extra layer of security. I followed this guide: https://caddy.community/t/securing-web-apps-with-caddy-and-authelia-in-docker-compose-an-opinionated-practical-and-minimal-production-ready-login-portal-guide/20465
Once setup, it is easy to remove or add a backend to Caddy and Authelia. This way does mean that you sometimes need to log in twice, but that is a small price to pay if your backend app does not support SSO (like n8n community edition).
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters CGNAT Carrier-Grade NAT IP Internet Protocol NAT Network Address Translation
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