That’s why we have mice copy/paste bindings on most systems too. Highlighting text auto copies, and scroll wheel click pastes. Not all do this, but many do and have for a while.
Mice? What is this thing you talk of?
Mice is animal
Mouses is computer/human interface device.
Pretty sure it’s mice for both, that’s just the correct plural for mouse, and the computer mouse literally got it’s name from the animal.
We started calling wireless mice hamsters because they got no tail.
And the second is going extinct.
That’s a popular terminal feature, but I regularly get tripped up because my terminal has that behavior but my browser does not.
That’s what’s nice about a global solution.
in most systems this is global. it’s provided by the desktop and programs just see a copy/paste event. are you on wayland by any chance?
Yes.
yeah that’d do it. on X11 this is a solved problem, but wayland delegates the responsibility to the wm, and i don’t think anyone other than gnome has actually implemented it. another one of the paper cuts that makes it hard for me to make the switch.
Switch to a non-buggy browser.
There’s only two. One has broken primary selection, the other has anti-user policies against adblock plugins.
I can live without copy on highlight. But you could pry UBlock Origin from my cold, dead hands.
uBlock Origin and mouse copy and paste works perfectly well in Firefox.
Control+C is used to kill a process in the terminal and that shouldn’t be overwritten. If it is, you’d have to create a totally separate key binding to kill a process. Seems unnecessarily complex when Control+Shift+C works just fine.
And I’m pretty sure this key combination predates copy and paste key combinations.
Come on, having a 3-key combo for such a common task is a PITA. There’s a reason people have been complaining about this for decades.
The first time you accidentally type Control-C into a terminal and cancel an important process when you meant to copy some text it becomes a PITA.
Exactly. I do it pretty regularly and I’ve been using Linux for 20 years.
And yet people here are still saying “no biggie”. It’s pure status quo bias.
No, it’s recognising that terminal has its own rules and the learned Ctrl+C for copy has no sense… Okay, C-Copy. Some sense. Now, Ctrl+V for… vaste? :)
All while having an Insert fucking button.
In the end, me personally does not care as long as Ctrl+C continues to be the process-killer
I feel like you may have misunderstood the article. It’s talking about how support is increasing for dedicated Copy keys, and that programmable keyboards make it easy to use dedicated Copy keys. The article does not mention changing the behaviour of Ctrl-C.
towards universal copy paste keyboard shortcuts
What else does this say?
The article doesn’t suggest using Control+C. It talks about dedicated copy and paste key codes, and you can program your keyboard to map those codes to whatever keys you like. They suggest Fn+C.
what about shift+insert amd ctrl+insert thats literally already there
Because lots of people don’t have an insert key?
standards.xkcd
I think at this point XKCD should be a TLD.
I would join lemmy.xkcd in a heartbeat.
Holy shit can you guys read the article please? It’s an existing standard and a dedicated keycode
We could use Ctrl+Insert and Shift+Insert like in the last three decades, but some of these keyboards apparently forgot about the Insert key.
I confirmed that these already supported a number of terminals plus QT and GTK. They could also be mapped to be more ergonomic with a programmable keyboard:
- Control+Insert: Copy
- Shift+Delete: Cut
- Shift+Insert: Paste
But Shift+insert currently pastes the primary selection, not the copy-paste clipboard. So it doesn’t do the same as Ctrl+V.
Well yeah but shift insert is annoying as hell since the keys are so far apart
Kitty has a setting that makes Ctrl-C copy text, but only if you’ve selected something. If you haven’t it does a regular break. Best of both worlds!
Another KiTTY user! Can you share that setting?
Had to look it up for you. I use (in kitty.conf):
map ctrl+c copy_and_clear_or_interrupt map ctrl+v paste_from_clipboardObviously you only need the first one for the copy bit but having paste as well is nice.
That’s what I came here to say. What’s the point in making an unnecessarily complex “hack” to circumvent what shift-control-c and v does? I’ve never had a problem with it. And there’s something to be said for not making it super easy to paste text to a terminal, especially from places online…
Control+C is used to kill a process in the terminal and that shouldn’t be overwritten.
Agreed. The post didn’t suggest that.
Seems unnecessarily complex when Control+Shift+C works just fine.
For people already using programmable keyboards global copy/paste shortcuts are a nice perk.
I spend nearly all my day in a browser or a terminal and as I use a terminal and browser that already support this, the effect is 99% complete.
sigh can’t believe that no one mentioned that there is a default set of shortcuts that are used across all GNU programs, and it’s been the default since way before Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V existed. You can easily copy/paste stuff in any terminal using the same keypresses you would on Emacs, I.e. Ctrl+space to start selection, Alt+W to copy and Ctrl+Y to paste. In fact you can navigate the entire line the same way, not just copy/pasting but moving back and forward, selecting and deleting stuff, e.g. Ctrl+A Ctrl+K cuts the entire line.
Unless you activate Vi mode (which most terminals support) and then you can use the same keypresses you would on Vi, including
ci"and other cool stuff that’s much more powerful that simple copy/paste.There is a default, it’s just not the same as word uses.
You describing a kill ring which is internal to the shell and not synced to the system clipboard. Nor does it work in GUI apps.
The benefit of universal bindings is not have to learn one method for GUI apps, another for terminals and a third for shells implementing the kill-ring like bindings.
This isn’t a thing already? This is why people don’t take linux seriously.
I assure you a great many people take Linux seriously.
On Windows, Control-C in a terminal also cancels instead of copies. That’s why people don’t take Windows seriously.
Powershell uses ctrl c
Yes, it uses it to close the currently executing program like every other terminal out there.
Not on my machine
You must be a mac user then because it doesn’t make any sense to have that criticism as a windows user lmao
I used to have a Linux keyboard (with Tux instead of the Windows logo on super) with dedicated copy and paste keys. As far as I recall I never used them.
On old keyboards with those dedicated Copy/Paste keys, they weren’t easy to reach.
Now with programmable keyboards and layers, they can be as convenient as Control C & V.
On the software side, there were many years where they weren’t well-supported, but that’s changing now.
Ctrl+Ins gang rise up
selection autocopy and wheel/shift ins pasting is superior to all alternatives imo
I love it when I have a mouse. It’s terrible on modern touchpads though :(
fully agree. i usually sacrifice one of my less used keys and bind it as a left mouse click instead.
There is an unintended benefit to putting an obstacle between people who don’t know how to use the terminal and pasting code into it.
Expanding on this, we could make it so that root must use ed(1) to edit files?
No, only vi
vi is so outdated, we use viii now. You’re two versions behind!
you’re evil. i love it.
Ha! Butterflies!
“Ed is the standard text editor.”
I don’t want copy paste buttons support, I want the caps lock delay to be fixed. Yes, I use the caps lock not shift, as my brain can’t get used to using shift for caps. I’m so tired of typing like THis all the time. 😂 (I’m using a hack currently that helps, but it would be nice if it gets fixed on Linux in general).
Nothing wrong with you using caps lock instead of shift, but I haven’t noticed any ‘caps lock delay’ personally.
Oh, many people gave me shit for using caps lock, and the delay is a very well known issue on Linux in general. There are even a couple of fixes for it by some folks. Like this one. And even the archwiki has a workaround for it. It’s a major pain for me. lol
I use a key remapper to give me the readline keys everywhere. Though I’ve used XKeysnail and xremap and they’re both a bit flakey, so if anyone has better recommendations that work on X11 and Wayland, I’m all ears.
There’s KMonad. Though I tried it once and found it didn’t behave quite like I expected and gave up.
I think that’s a slightly different animal. AFAIK it’s doesn’t switch config depending on the current focused window. E.g. for some programs I don’t want remapping.
Hey, this is one of the reasons I bought this keyboard!
For a couple extra bucks you can get them to make each individual key a separate key code by asking them to convert it to Single Usage Code Firmware, which is so nifty to me!
you can remap keys with any keyboards
While correct, for the keyboard I linked, when you press F13 through F24 it sends Shift+F1 through Shift+F12. Which is not impossible to remap, but what if you need to press Shift+F1?
I’ve been using ctrl+c for copy and ctrl+v for paste for over a decade in my linux terminal by remapping the interrupt to ctrl+x.
It’s basic ergonomics and user friendliness.
I do it on all my personal devices and servers.
Nothing bad happened in those ~15 years that I’ve been doing that. What the fuck are you arguing about?
I might actually do that too, but not for ergonomics. I’m just going nuts with sometimes ctrl-c,. sometimes ctrl-shift-c, sometimes ctrl-ins
If you need any help, ping me and I’ll share my setup.
The reason you gave still falls under the concept of ergonomics.
From wikipedia:
Ergonomics, also known as human factors or human factors engineering (HFE), is the application of psychological and physiological principles to the engineering and design of products, processes, and systems. Primary goals of human factors engineering are to reduce human error, increase productivity and system availability, and enhance safety, health and comfort with a specific focus on the interaction between the human and equipment.
It would be a more ergonomic (and less error prone) system if you modify the shortcuts so that you don’t fumble them.
The point for me is that I will have 30 years of muscle memory to overcome
What terminal app do you use, and what do you use to do the remapping?
My current setup:
~/.bashrc
stty intr \^x bind -f ~/.inputrc~/.inputrc
set bind-tty-special-chars off set colored-stats on set show-all-if-ambiguous on set show-all-if-unmodified on set completion-ignore-case on set completion-query-items -1 set page-completions off "\e[1;5C": forward-word "\e[1;5D": backward-word "\C-h": nop "\C-s":"\C-asudo "And in Konsole I have remapped copy to ctrl+C and paste to ctrl+V .
I honestly don’t remember what each config line is for, cause it has been so long ago. And probably you don’t want all of that. Probably best to throw it into an AI and let it explain it line by line.
Thanks! I’m using konsole too, so that’s good to know. Do you remap something else to produce the ctrl-c character?
Wow. I haven’t seen a Sun keyboard like that in … geez forever. Whose were fun times. I was younger then.
Stop+a crew.
I have a typematrix keyboard.
there’s a growing adoption of keyboards with custom firmware– programmable keyboard
- There’s an error
- You have computers? We have computers to send keystrokes to our computers!
Wait till you find out that your SSD has it’s own CPU, RAM and is running software on it’s own micro-OS just for writing bits to flash storage.
Wait even more until you find out the same is true for your SIM card.
If you survive the shock, you could go on and write software that runs entirely on your SIM card in fucking JAVA.
Sup dawg. I heard you like microprocessors.
