cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/34255100
Thought I’d create a distinct thread from the previous one asking about daily use, because I really do want to hear more on people’s pain points. Great to know people are generally sounding pretty positive in those posts who recently switched, but want to know your difficulties as well! This way old and new users can share their thoughts, hopefully to inspire a respectful discussion.
My bazzite PC in my living room stopped recognizing the Bluetooth built into my motherboard which is annoying but easily worked around with a USB Bluetooth dongle.
Turn off the power supply, wait a minute, turn back on
Its not a Linux Problem, happens with MBS in general
Finally got around to trying this and it worked. Thank you! I was just shutting it down before not turning it off at the power supply.
reading all them pain points, I had to type this up. free advice, worth what you paid for it.
you know how in life you’re supposed to pick your side, your team, and stick to it? like, no tifosi is changing their allegiance because the rival got a fancier kit or a new power forward or whatever; in fact, you’ll root harder for your underdog darlings. you don’t become a nazi overnight because they’re flooding the aether or their spokes is a dead ringer for scarjo. etc.
here, you gotta do the opposite. you gotta anticipate where the major development effort goes to and go there now. you can’t cling to X11 and xfce4 and sysv init and whatever and then removed that you can’t nicely alt-tab out of games or have functioning HiDPI or you audio stack from 2006 is crapping out and such.
the largest linux hardware manufacturer at present is valve. they went with plasma, they went with wayland, they put in a lot of work to make it better, and with new steam hardware that’s likely to continue. in addition, there’s a smorgasbord of activity in that sector and that’s your best - and I contend, only - bet.
so that’s what you’ll run, and like it. I’ve ran close to everything prior to plasma and have occasional nostalgic flashbacks and miss a feature or two over here. but this is the thing with the most hands on and your best bet that someone already solved your issue or is aware of it and working on it.
Are you really complaining that community effort and team work are a bad thing…? I’m confused here, it sounds like you are. But that can’t be right.
dist-upgrademust die.I spent like three hours I didn’t have the other day trying to bring a Debian Unstable system up to date, it decided to stop every few packages to tell me it failed because the
t64libraries conflict with the regular ones and nobody taughtapthow to figure that shit out for me and install the right ones.Even Ubuntu is like “oh hey there’s a new release, you’re available for three hours straight to, every two to fifty minutes, explain to a TUI dialog that you don’t have an opinion, right? Oh also can you resolve this merge conflict on this config file we think you edited, but you didn’t, by being shown the diff once and then opening nano?”
This is not an acceptable way for this to go.
Debian unstable is not a distro…
You cant complain about software breakage in a software that is still under development
Consider it as an early access game on steam.
What it is is my attempt to avoid the nonsense biannual massive Ubuntu upgrades.
Really I’ve got “Siduction”, an ostensible distro “based on” Debian Unstable. This is accomplished by just having the Debian Unstable package sources in there, plus a couple others that give you pretty themes.
I expect Debian Unstable to occasionally ship me broken packages, but I’m surprised to have it just generally not have functional migration solutions when the setup goes through major changes. Not because there’s a bug in something, as far as I can tell, but because nobody engineered anything.
Life protip, if you arnt using Debian, as in normal Debian. Just use fedora or arch.
If you need anything remotely up to date, just avoid anything and everything that uses apt. You will have Infinitly less headaches.
There’s a good fucking reason valve uses arch.
Just wanted to say this is a nice thread, thanks OP for starting it and everyone for participating :)
Gives me nostalgia for the “tech support” category in forums. We should really really bring them back, they’re not well suited to “aggregator” platforms like Lemmy/Reddit or messaging applications like Discord
Linux kernel or distros?
Assuming distros, my pain point is that it is not popular. For Linux to actually take over, UI/UX for everything without a single touch of CLI (akin to Windows and Mac OS) needs to be normalised. And everything just needs to work (see LTT), be snappy/instant (looking at you file browsers, Firefox, etc.), and use established behavioural norms within Windows and Mac (looking at you middle click paste, and it not being a universal scroll) as basics. Just give any distro to any Asian population. They won’t even be able to figure out how to type their own language as if they are exiting Vim.
and use established behavioural norms within Windows and Mac
Even when they fucking suck some times?
For Linux to actually take over, UI/UX for everything without a single touch of CLI needs to be normalised. And everything just needs to work, be snappy/instant, and use established behavioural norms as basics.
I wish an OS like this existed.
Mac OS is pretty close. But not everything is a Mac 🙃
Mouse sharing, but I also failed to set it up on my Mac.
Have you tried KDE connect? It should work also on other DEs, I believe. I use it on my phone to do remote input, but it should also do PC <-> PC
Do you mean like https://github.com/deskflow/deskflow ?
Peripherals…
• A document scanner with pretty great Windows software that has features that are not nearly as easy to do with FOSS Linux software (splitting documents, auto cropping and alignment, OCR, etc)
• A 3D printer that doesn’t have Linux software, so I can’t easily send prints to it from Linux
• A webcam that supports device-level configuration (zoom, cropping, etc) but doesn’t have Linux software to control it
The 3D printer doesn’t support a plain serial interface via USB? I believe most can accept g-code over it and most slicers can serve it? Been a while since I was using non-Klipper printers though
Out of interest, which printer? Anycubic Kobra by any chance?
Regarding the camera: you could probably script this with ffmpeg and let it output the cropped stream as a virtual camera but I am nog going to pretend this sounds very appealing to most people.
Regarding scanning. Maybe you can scan to PDF and then use this: https://github.com/alam00000/bentopdf . does seem to do OCR also but havent tried it myself.
Definitely not a fix but have you tried this? https://winboat.app/
Support for higher levels of ARM SystemReady seem like they’re poorly supported in the Linux ecosystem right now.
ARM boards nearly always require a devicetree entry for that specific board.
This may not be entirely a Linux problem, but my understanding is that some of the x1 elite laptops we’ve seen DeviceTree entries added in the Linux kernel are using SystemReady ES or SystemReady SR on Windows
My desktop PC running Fedora 43 goes to sleep in a weird way. When I was running Windows and the computer went to sleep the power button would blink and I could wake the PC with my keyboard or mouse. On Fedora the power button doesn’t blink (no big deal) and I can’t wake the PC with my keyboard or mouse, only the power button works.
Another issue is if I have the option to turn the monitor off after a certain amount of time I cannot get it to wake from sleep. If I turn the monitor off and on there’s no signal. If the monitor goes to sleep because the PC goes to sleep it’s fine.
Something randomly causes Firefox to hoover up all my computer’s RAM. I can tell my system is going to lock up because the fan on the CPU cooler ramps up. When Firefox finally sucks up all the RAM the entire desktop is unresponsive. I had to enable the system rescue keys and I sometimes have to manually trigger the OOM killer.
Raw photo editing on Linux sucks. I’ve tried DarkTable, RawTherapee and some other program and didn’t like any of them. The UI is incredibly complex or blurry.
I run F43 KDE on my desktop. I have an amd gpu and ryzen cpu. And I also experience weirdness with display connections.
I used a KVM to switch between my work laptop and personal desktop but since I use Fedora, I can’t. I cannot switch back to my desktop. The screen remains blank no matter what I do. I could not figure out if the underlying system is responsive or not.
When booting, it feels like there is a race condition between the gpu drivers maybe and something else. Sometimes I get no image after GRUB. The PW promt for LUKS would be the next step, but the monitor receives no signal and goes to sleep. Reboot fixes it, but sometimes 3 tries are needed.
Intel Arc card. Though, to be fair, it’s only in a small few cases.
Fingerprint reader does not work as it does on other OS. You can log in, but the key ring stays locked causing programs in user space to break, so I always need to log in with my password before it works. The fingerprint prompt blocks input access so you can’t type in the password and you have to wait for it to time out, also the prompt does not always appear. And the developers actively refuse to fix the not unlocking the keyring because it’s “not secure”.
Fingerprint scanners for both Windows and macOS, you can log in and it just works.
Second thing is the still broken bluetooth drivers on Debian based distro’s where it randomly just fails. No such issues on Fedora (KDE) as of yet, but I use both.
80% of tools and tasks take about 20% more effort to get set up how I’d like them, which is fine - and even usually better because I can customize it more. However 20% of tools and tasks take 8,000% more effort to even work correctly, and I give up on half of them.
I’ve had frustation with the lack of support for some HP laptops. I have a HP Dragonfly 13.5-inch G4 Notebook and I haven’t been able to get my sound to work despite finding others who have gotten it to work. None of the people who got it to work were using simple installation or sources to get the sound to work.
In my Linux mint I downgraded to playing only 1080p because 4k is very laggy and filled with artifacts.
I have a mini optiplex 7070 with 32GB of ram, Intel processor (not a powerful one).but in windows 11 I could play 4k content with no issue.
You could try one of the “gaming” focused distros like Cachy or Bazzite. They do their own tweaks to squeeze more performance out of you hardware. Sadly, many game won’t reach the performance level of Windows, but you can get pretty close, like 85-90% close (depends highly on the game in question, no guarantees).
Big upsy moment. Playing videos. I just want to watch legal movies
That is even stranger. My RX6600 has zero issues with 4k 10bit content. Do you watch via browser or ripped dvds?
Using vlc to play super legal movies
Mint ships an old kernel by default. But there’s a GUI that lets you install a newer one.
This would most likely fix your issue.No graphic (its integrated with the CPU). Ill have a look
Edit: realized that i didnt specify videos. I want to play 4k videos, not gaming
My other thought is screen tearing and similar. I think Mint still ships with X rather than Wayland and screen tearing is a pretty infamous limitation with Xserver
I’ve been using Linux almost exclusively at home since the late 1990s.
I have very few issues with it. I think Debian’s tendency to break my Nvidia drivers on my gaming machine is probably the worst, but that’s just a matter of running the installer again. It’s not really Debian’s fault, it’s just updating the kernel.
I wish WINE would let me use Bluetooth or even ANT+ connections to my smart bicycle trainer, but connecting via the phone works quite well most of the time (unless my wife starts the car and it grabs my Bluetooth phone connection). So that is my biggest wish. Well actually I wish Zwift ran natively on Linux. That’d be even better.
