I’m asking cause my previous post regarding my server that isn’t at home got moderated for violating rule 3. I don’t get it 🤔
Your post was removed because it wasn’t about any self-hosted applications, services, or infrastructure. Instead, you were complaining about the customer support of a VPS provider.
A case could be made that Rule 7 should have been cited, instead of Rule 3.
If OP was self-hosting they wouldn’t have had a problem with their hosting provider.
As someone runnings things out of my basement computers, i have a lot of problems with my hosting provider
I hear ya. My hosting provider is crap too.
i donno i think you’re self hosting if you’re the admin
Your hosting but not self hosting.
No, Hosting has a technical definition. When you rent a server or in this case VPS, the company is hosting you. You can maintain or administer the services but you are never hosting yourself on someone else’s computer.
Alright, I guess I should have rather made a post like PSA: beware of Netcup, they shut you down on suspicion of doing stuff against their ToS whether it’s actually the case or not and without giving you a warning tp respond.
Well, if you want to stir the pot, there are heavy discussions on both sides of the fence. Personally, I don’t get all pedantic about it. To quote Ice Cube; ‘Do your thing man, fuck what they looking at’.
As far as your post being deleted, it seems to be arbitrary at times and rather silent when courteous inquiries are made.
Well, I noticed my post got moderated when I wasn’t able to reply to you, so here’s my reply :
The very first Linux server I ever stood up got whacked. I got a nastygram from my host that he had shut it down because of malicious activity against other servers. So, from their standpoint, I can understand why.
Yes, but they should warn before shutting down, give you at least a few hours to speak for yourself.
Yes, but they should warn before shutting down,
IDK, if I were running the show, I’d probably have done the same thing especially when it started to involve other servers. I would assume that there would be some legal ramifications should it have just been ignored. It would have been good to observe to see if I could come up with who the puppeteer was, but I was super green then and probably wouldn’t have known where to start as far as forensics. I mean, if you get hacked, the knee jerk reaction is to pull the plug, but it would be more productive to do some forensics before killing the server.
Yeah, I agree with ‘nuke first ask questions later’ when your compromised host is impacting other devices. If and only if i knew the attempts weren’t going anywhere or doing anything would I consider unicing the vm/container to see what happened.
At the very least, you could cut off Internet access and reduce vCores to 0.5, instead of completely shutting it down and only offering the user to book 4 hours of access during business hours as if they didn’t have work too.
When you say moderated, do you mean a comment or did you do another post? if its a comment is that something your instance does? or did it just fail to send. you peaked my curiosity because I wasn’t aware of instances filtering comments, only posts.
No I mean the post was removed.
Is it self hosting? No.
Does it matter? Idk.
By definition, the cloud provider is hosting you. It’s not about being good or bad it just is. If the mod deemed your question to be irrelevant to the community then idk maybe it does matter in this context.
To me personally self hosted means the only way the service / files can be taken from me, is to physically enter my house and take the HD
Anything shy of that I don’t fully consider self hosting.
Not because I’m gate keeping, it’s just that I don’t trust any corporation, and the minute they are involved, enschitification is inevitable
Yet they’re already in your home.
It seems fair to me
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters CGNAT Carrier-Grade NAT DNS Domain Name Service/System NAT Network Address Translation VPN Virtual Private Network VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)
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Honestly, do we need a legal definition of what “self hosting” is and what isn’t?
I didn’t see your post and in the modlog I can only see it’s title: “Apparently I’m into Web3, says Netcup” [ed: Netcup is a hosting company].
If your post was discussing stuff specific to your hosting provider, then the mods did well in removing it - if you were talking about things that would have interested this community, then they have probably been too rash in removing the post.
No
I’m not a mod but, to me I see self hosting as maintaining your own setup. If it’s hosted in a cloud you still are maintaining the setup you are just offloading hardware responsibilities to someone else.
It’s not like you are signing up for google photos and then saying “yo guys I have my own photos self hosted”, you still are putting the pain and suffering into making it work, you just aren’t worrying about the hardware or network requirements (outside of security)
Being said, some people firmly see "“self-hosting” as you buy the parts, install and configure everything and it’s coming out of your house.
It’s a sticky situation, imo that type of ideology also throws any type of using a DNS/DDOS host out the window as well., but again YMMV depending on who you ask.
I definitly think if you are installing -> configuring -> maintaining and then -> using. you meet the definition of self hosting.
edit: Being said, looking at the log, your deleted post was the one about your current external host provider dropping you due to heavy load(they were eco friendly) right? I can kind of see why they felt this didn’t meet the environment of the community. But i see both sides of the argument.
Host can take your data and shut you down. Not SELF hosted. Same as business not calling it on PREM hosting when they do the same.
I would be inclined to think that if you are just renting a machine or VM and all the configuration/maintenance is your problem it would be close enough. But I am not a mod and don’t want to be.
The great thing about Lemmy is that if we don’t like the moderation policies of an existing community, we can just make a new one with the same name on another instance. With blackjack and VPSs.
IDK what’s happened to you or why your post got removed.
Obviously “self-hosting” as a term is broad and subjective.
IMO this community discusses hosting services in an environment where you’re responsible for installing, configuring, and maintaining your own stuff.
A purist might argue that self-hosting doesn’t include services residing on a VPS, but what’s the point of excluding those discussions from this community? In practical terms the nature of the activity is the same.
I mean by definition it isn’t self hosting as someone else is hosting the service for you.
You’re welcome to your own definition.
Whether you’re configuring a docker container running on a server in your basement or on a VPS the issues you encounter are going to be much the same. The definition of self-hosted isn’t really relevant.
If you want to exclude people running services on rented hardware that just seems dumb.
Technically no, because it’s cloud-hosted infrastructure. Businesses usually call this IaaS, Infrastructure as a Service.
But it’s still a good way to build your own services that you can possibly trust more than public cloud services. IMO posts about setting up your own trusted services could be valuable content for the community even if you set it up on the cloud.
In my opinion, “self-hosted” means that you host it yourself.
Running services in the cloud (i.e. someone else is hosting it) isn’t the same as hosting it yourself.
Just have fun, though. Not everyone is in a situation where they can self host. Just do what works for you.
Imo it’s hosting stuff for yourself or your family. In cloud or closet. If you have an advanced nas and you set up shares so everyone in the house can use it, it’s self-hosted storage. If you set up an iCloud account its not. If you rent vps, manage firewalls and reverse proxies and host your stuff there it’s selfhosting. If you use digital ocean or aws and do it for yourself its selfhosting. Saas isnt self hosting
While I don’t believe IaaS to be selfhosting I do believe self-managed services on IaaS should be allowed here. It’s the same software stack and requires the same skills so both parties gain from having the discussion in the same place.
Not because I think selfhosting is a badge but because I think it makes sense to call things for what they are.But I’m an old grumpy who thinks ovo-lakto vegetarians shouldn’t have been allowed to steal the meaning of vegetarian or vegetarians steal it from vegans (and now we no longer got a word to describe old school vegans that makes it a lifestyle not a diet.)
that makes it a lifestyle not a diet.
It should all be a lifestyle. When I took a look at my fat ass decades ago, I decided to do something about it. People would say, go on a diet. But diets are not enough and usually not effective. What you want is a lifestyle change, because loosing the weight, is the easier part even tho it is hard work. The harder part is keeping it off forever, which is where the lifestyle change comes in. I’m not a vegan or vegetarian, tho I have incorporated some of those concepts into my lifestyle change.
What I meant with lifestyle was the fact that vegan used to mean not using any products that cause animal suffering, be it a hamburger, leather shoes or makeup tested on animals. None of it is vegan.
gotcha
Stop giving the purists cred here.
If it works for you, use it. Christ.
it’s not really a question of working or not, is it? it’s a question of what words mean. if somebody says why isn’t an orange considered an apple, it’s perfectly normal to say it’s because they’re two different things. you wouldn’t say, “do what works for you, make an apple pie with oranges”, would you?
So why don’t we just rename the group to “Puritan Self-Hostinf Only”? Where is your line?
I know you’re feeling very self-righteous right now, but I hope at some point you can calm down enough to step back and realize this is such a silly thing to be getting so dramatic over.
LOVELY COMMENT.
What are you getting at?
I’d say it isn’t self hosted. Same as companies doing the same not calling it on prem. No should discussions be allowed here yes as long as it isn’t about the hosting provider.
I think it considered self-hosting as in self-hosting services/software but not the hardware.
I’m currently using a VPS for multiple reasons. Hardware is kinda expensive where I’m currently living. And due to CGNAT I would need to setup a tailscale node or VPN etc somewhere else anyway. Also home internet isn’t reliable at all here and I may need to access my stuff when outside and regardless if my internet is acting up or there’s a blackout.
Although in the future I’m planning on migrating to a dual setup where my core server lives at home and the public front (along with some smaller services and apps) is on a VPS.
