Achemm…
GNU Linux
I wish it was then it may make sense. Every time I use the MacOS terminal. It’s like an uncanny valley so similar but the more you look the more horrific it becomes. I can’t even say it’s Unix is the problem as freebsd makes complete sense.
Thanks for the response. I’m ignorant in this topic. How is MacOS horrific?
For one, some of the coreutils are weird. They aren’t BSD coreutils, but they’re not GNU coreutils either. They’re like an old version of BSD coreutils with some GNU features added.
I didn’t know that. When I was searching for a new computer last month, I considered a Macbook because I liked BSD utilities more. I ended up buying a Thinkpad T14 and booting Chimera Linux(actually uses BSD utilities) on it.
Huh. That’s interesting. Are the MacOS coreutils incapable or not user-friendly in some way? Or is it more that they’re too different for people who know GNU and BSD coreutils?
I also wonder if their coreutils are open source. I quickly tried searching here but couldn’t find an answer https://opensource.apple.com/releases/
Whatever else it may be, macos most certainly Is Unix unfortunately
Anything can be Unix if you’re willing to pay for the certification.
Yeah it’s Unix but all the paths and utilities are all out of wack from what I’m used to on freebsd and Linux distros
macOS may not be FreeBSD, but it definitely is a BSD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix#/media/File:Unix_history-simple.svg
Also some part of NetBSD
Oh it’s infamous racist Bryan Lunduke. Is there no rule against posting that guy?
I see no racism in the video posted?
Ahhh give him a break he probably just forgot. If it helps, I’m sure he was thinking something horrible about somebody reasonably nice. /s
He can’t chudpost every time, but I’ve listened to him talk with an open mind before and in my opinion his occasional insights are overshadowed by his self-important whinging.
Oh? What did he do
Just check his video titles.
Even without it, that snark face he uses for the thumbnails are a very big tell.
I don’t have a list of specific instances on hand. But he was kind of a contrarian voice for a while that I listened to over a decade ago, but in 2016 went in the more anti-woke (anti-CRT in terms of the time) and very reactionary culture war turn.
He’s an anti-woke crusader and bigot. A large chunk (probably most) of his “content” is actually about that.
CW all sorts of bigotry
“Best Alternatives to Woke Software”, “Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork”, lots of shit like that.
He loves talking about so-called “reverse racism”, he thinks white people are oppressed in US tech.
Here’s a recent one:
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/meta-ending-del-ending-fact-checking
They [Meta] are allowing criticism of LGTBQ+blublublub issues, including *snicker* the statement that gay people are mentally ill […] and they’re allowing vaccine skepticism on the platform […] and it is, I’m not gonna lie, mildly hilarious.
He also says, Palestine supporters and Hamas supporters are, and I quote, one and the same.
I mean the dude is literally Jewish and pro Israeli, it isn’t even surprising he would have an L take like that
doesnt a free and open source operating system fit the definition of “actively attentive to important societal facts and issues” where the issue in question is not having control of your machine?
By its nature isn’t Linux technically woke?
Wow. I thought a couple of his old Linux Sucks talks were kind of funny, but never knew anything about him personally. Kind of sad to learn he’s an asshole.
They share some inspiration. Same with Linux/Unix confusion.
About 15 minutes in a terminal trying to do Linux’y things are you get completely disillusioned.
Most people think UNIX and Linux are the same thing so this makes sense. Obviously to us they aren’t but for most people it really doesn’t matter. I’m sure they’ll still sleep at night.
who even cares
Sillies! It’s based on GNU!
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as GNU, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. GNU is not an operating system unto itself, but rather a gathering of the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components that together with a Linux kernel comprise a full OS as defined by POSIX.
(Finally it’s the other way around 😆)
GNU/MacOS/TimApple/Proprietary/Unix Which is all apart of the SystemD Operating system
Unix, Linux, whats the diff? Its all the same.
<ducks and runs>
That license does nothing.
Your comments aren’t licensed because you put something in them. It’s stopping nothing. Licensing is an agreement, and requires parties to consent. You don’t just magically force licenses onto people.
If this was real I could license my comments where if you read them, you owe me 10k.
This is the digital equivalent of sovereign citizens.
woosh
~This comment is licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0~
In case you want your license declaration to look the same as mine (instead of just being a quote), you can copy and paste in the following text …
[~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)Why all the tilde symbols? That’s what makes it quite distracting and hard to read for me tbh.
Why all the tilde symbols? That’s what makes it quite distracting and hard to read for me tbh.
I’m using the Lemmy.World formatting (https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html). I’m subscripting the text/link to make it smaller/footer.
It sounds like your client is not supporting that. You should speak with the devs of your client about that. Here’s the actual formatting string being used by me…
[~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)I am using eternity. There, it’s just a link but every word is surrounded by ~.
Unfortunately, I don’t think lemmy.world is authoritative in regards to formatting and Lemmy itself – iirc – does not suggest formatting guidelines.
Spoiler formatting is also a pain because of that :/
It looks like the Eternity client doesn’t support subscript?
Don’t know what to say, my account is on Lemmy.World, and that’s their instructions on how to format one’s comments. /shrug
In the past (tenish months ago) I heard this same issue, and I tried removing the subscripting, which made the footer text the same size of the rest of the text, and then I was getting people complaining about my footer text being too large for a footer. My hope was that ten months later, all clients would support subscript fonts/text.
Honestly, at this point I’d suggest you talk to the devs of your client, to support subscript font/text.
That license does nothing.
Especially since the comment itself in question is so short that it would be public domain in practically every jurisdiction.
That license does nothing.
It makes me feel good. That’s something.
Do you spend a lot of time arguing with people over it?
Do you spend a lot of time arguing with people over it?
Allot more than I wish, I really try not to. Even today, I keep asking people to not rehash it, and lets just talk about the topic my comment was posted in. But for some strange reason people just won’t let it go, and push to talk about it.
Well like it or not, your footer is just a part of your comments, and so people are invited to respond however they wish when you post it on lemmy. If you don’t like people making the same replies, you can simply stop posting the same content in every comment.
Well like it or not, your footer is just a part of your comments, and so people are invited to respond however they wish when you post it on lemmy.
That logic doesn’t track though, as that content is just a footer, it is not the actual content of what’s being discussed in the post, which is what people should be responding to.
It would be the same as if for every comment I made on a subject it opposed people instead started asking me questions about my username, and not discussing the subject of the post.
If you don’t like people making the same replies, you can simply stop posting the same content in every comment.
You really shouldn’t be “blaming the victim” on this one.
Even if what you said previously is true, when a person has been directed to a location where an answer to their question has already been given, and they refuse to do so, but instead continue to badger the person directly, that’s detrimental to the conversation being had (by derailing it), as well as I would argue to Lemmy itself. And if done enough times on purpose could be considered harassment.
People should not be able to dictate what other people put in their comments, and should definitely not harass them continuously over what they have in their comments.
Can’t argue with that. I’m glad you’ve found something that you enjoy.
Well, I’d enjoy it more if people (in general) stopped bothering me about using a license for my content, than I actually do using a license for my content. 😜
I am getting annoyed on your behalf lol. Why do people feel the need to screech at others doing something harmless when they could just shut up and ignore it is beyond me. Not a fair comparison but it does feel like republicans shouting at trans people.
I feel like it somehow relates to Cunningham’s Law but i can’t figure out how to articulate it.
Thanks, appreciate the support!
It’s amazing how bent out of shape some people get about this, both currently, as well as about tenish months ago when I last was on Lemmy (check out my comment history from that time period if you really want to get annoyed).
I got to imagine that its people who want to farm the comments for their LLMs training, that are trying to prevent the popular usage of people licensing their content.
Honestly I don’t believe it would help myself but who am I to tell you what to do. As someone else mentioned, it’s probably people who simply have to correct others when they don’t share the option. Doubt it would be anything like being in support of LLMs, probably the opposite.
Honestly I don’t believe it would help myself
It would help if the companies that are training their LLMs honor content creators licenses. If they ignore the law in that, then it would in theory need to be policed.
In either case, its a quick copy/paste on my part, so /shrug.
As someone else mentioned, it’s probably people who simply have to correct others when they don’t share the option. Doubt it would be anything like being in support of LLMs, probably the opposite.
I don’t know. It would behoove those who need our content to train their LLMs to intimidate/redirect people away from licensing their content. And I can’t imagine regular people getting so caught up to spend so much time on this issue. If you look through my comment history, starting 9-10 months ago, and see how many replies I’ve gotten, and even how posts talk about this issue (https://lemmy.world/post/14942506), I can’t imagine a single link would cause all of that. Theres got to be something more to it than that.
I was around when that was an active topic back then so I am aware. It’s just I don’t trust any or most companies to respect it anyway. Also as someone else suggested, look into automation lol, I thought you had something like an email signature that gets added automatically.
In either case, its a quick copy/paste on my part, so /shrug.
I was thinking “okay this somewhat unconventional but whatever” until I read this. Use greasemonkey or something for the love of Christ!
And I’m assuming just having “all content licesed under the CC BY-NC-SA 4.0” in your bio wouldn’t work?
And I’m assuming just having “all content licesed under the CC BY-NC-SA 4.0” in your bio wouldn’t work?
I’m not sure if I understand your question.
I believe it does work. Or at least it should, and I shouldn’t give up my right to license my own content just because enforcement of laws is lax.
Well, scrapers probably would ignore it.
So, if I go to a library, pick a book and start reading it, I am then free to completely copy it because I didn’t agree to any licensing?
You agreed to the ToS given by the library.
Hence why you have to get a library card to check out a book.
No, it doesn’t matter if the book is at a library or on my friend’s bookshelf, copyright law is literally the right to copy the thing. So if I make an illegal copy, I’m breaking copyright law. The “ToS” I’ve “agreed” to is the law of the country I’m in.
Okay, and if I find the book on the street?
I don’t think it’s equivalent to sovereign citizens. OP is the author of their comment and therefore has the copyrights. As the author one can license their work as all rights reserved or other permissive licenses.
OP chooses to license their work as Creative Commons.
They’re not forcing you to accept the license, it’s your local government that enforces copyright.
The reason why this might work on Lemmy but not on corporate Social media is that corporate social media often have terms of service that require you to give them ownership/rights/etc. Lemmy has no such ToC.
This would vary by instance. I don’t see that lemmy.world specifies the terms for user content, which really should be fixed.
It’s a hard problem in the fediverse. It makes for a ticking time bomb of an issue. Imagine I am on a “everything is your own, we don’t sell your stuff” instance while another instance just copy pasted metas ToS. By posting a response to my instance, which then in turn is federated to the meta style instance I create something hard to solve. I can foresee other issues too.
I see your point. I just think it’s a difficult problem.
The reason why this might work on Lemmy but not on corporate Social media is that corporate social media often have terms of service that require you to give them ownership/rights/etc. Lemmy has no such ToC.
Actually, Safe Harbor laws would encompass social media sites as well, so it would work there as well.
Either corporations own the content you post and are responsible for it, or they just host your content you post that you own and are immune from harm for the content. The law is currently the latter, and not the former.
Also, law trumps ToS’s.
I don’t think the ToS approach would be invalidated here via your Safe Harbor fork theory.
The ToS could state something like “you give us a worldwide perpetual right to use your content in any way we want including granting this right to whom we designate”
You still own your content but by having an account you agree to the ToS that lets them do what they want.
They just host it and are safe.
TOS can’t change Law, can’t strip away rights that you have.
Law always trumps TOS.
In fact, if a company tries to via their TOS they are opening themselves up for big risks/lawsuits, as they are trying to gain ownership of your content, voiding their Safe Harbor law protections.
They can’t have it both ways, thats not how the Law works. Either they have the protection, or they own the content.
They probably are thinking of the FreeBSD stuff in macOS.
yeah right, i thought macos/ios started with a fork of one of the BSDs, which might get confused with linux
GET HIM
<Looney Tunes running away in place noises>
I love the idea of licensing comments XD
You’re probably the only one, but thank you for saying that. 🙂
Does the lack of licensing in this comment mean it’s okay to steal?
Nope, the opposite: in the absence of an explicit license, the default is “all rights reserved.”
I don’t think just thanking someone is real content. /shrug
But answering someone who thinks they are being funny or annoying, by explaining things to them, would be considered content by me.
I kind of suspected it might be something like that, but it was a genuine query that, yes, was intended to be mildly humorous. I don’t intentionally annoy except maybe my wife.
Your indirect accusation made me smirk, but as far as I’ve noticed you’re the only one who does this without doing it on every comment, which seemed interesting enough to observe.
Yeah, I tend to push back a bit, as I wish people would discuss the subject at hand that the comment by me was made about, and not the license that I used in my comment.
Ah. Well, I have questions or comments I could make about the license. However, while I feel passionately about Unix and Linux and OSS in general, I don’t think I have anything useful or interesting to add to the thread that hasn’t already been said.
I wish you luck both with finding engaging conversation and with your licensing.
Nah, I think it’s neat as well. Lemmy would be more boring if no user had idiosyncrasies.
Hell, I’ve even tagged you with “CC BY-NC-SA 4.0” in my Lemmy client - which means I will confront you if you ever stop doing it.
Nah, I think it’s neat as well. Lemmy would be more boring if no user had idiosyncrasies.
Kind of a sad state of affairs for us all, that wanting to license your own content would be considered an idiosyncrasy, but I get what you were trying to say. 🙂
Hell, I’ve even tagged you with “CC BY-NC-SA 4.0” in my Lemmy client -
Well I’m not the first to use it, I learned to use it here from someone else, but open source licensing notoriety is something I can live with. 😜
which means I will confront you if you ever stop doing it.
Honestly it would be me just leaving Lemmy (again) if the harassment gets to be too much (Edit: Example: https://lemmy.world/comment/15320340).
But I’d rather be here than Reddit, even with the lesser moderation that happens here.
I do appreciate your support, thank you. 👍
why though?
The return of the forum signatures, whether you like it or not.
Mines going to be an ad from NordVPN and maybe Apex Legends? I wonder what’s their rate like? 🤷♂️
You are not new to lemmy, it says you registered a year ago, but is this the first time you meet a comment with license info? You are one of today’s lucky 10000.
I’ve seen this on multiple users, usually it’s some anti ai license. Like the laws stopped facebook from torrenting copyrighted books, an anti ai license will stop the next ai startup scraping the fediverse.
I’m only aware of myself, and the one other person who I learned to do this from, on Lemmy. That was tenish months ago, but still.
I haven’t seen anyone else, even the other person I mentioned previously, since having returned to Lemmy recently.
Be nice if you were right, but I haven’t seen it really.
It’s a mess: 24C3: Inside the Mac OS X Kernel inv.nadeko.net.
chocolate milk comes from brown cows type situation
Pft, everyone knows macOS is just a fancy DE on top of Hannah Montana Linux
Lmfao. My fucking lead was arguing with me the other day how Linux is Unix. I just said ok after I saw that it was going nowhere.
Did you ask them what does Linux mean?
One or two Linux distros were (are?) UNIX certified, though.
But not the Linux kernel itself.
What would you say determines whether a kernel is a Unix kernel? I believe Linux is as much a Unix kernel as the BSD kernel is, the FreeBSD kernel, the AIX kernel, the System V kernel, etc.
- Code base. It has no relation whatsoever to anything unix. You know the ATT bell labs unix. Unix kernels descend directly from that, Linux doesn’t. It was written by this genuine man named Linus lol
- Unix trademark certification that is maintained by the “open group”. Linux is not a certified unix, even though it is POSIX compliant.
- POSIX compliance. Linux is POSIX complaint, but that’s just how it behaves in terms of APIs and system calls. POSIX complaince doesn’t make a system “unix”. Linux is not derived from unix at all, its code is its own code, it behaves like unix, but it is not unix. MacOS, BSD and other unix systems are derived from Unix (I know MacOS has taken its own way now, but still, it came from a Unix code base).
Tldr; Linux is not unix because it does not descend from AT&T Unix or BSD and it is not UNIX-certified.
Been there, had that conversation.
macOS is UNIX, certified UNIX actually.
But I mean, if someone had the merest impression of macOS and was very familiar with Linux and never bothered to look any further then I’d understand. Maybe they only played around with macOS a little and saw the terminal app had bash and most all the familiar tools as on Linux. It’s not hard to see why they might’ve thought it’s Linux based.
macOS is a certified UNIX, sure, but according to some 2002 specification, and if you modify your system in such matter that it will be in nearly broken state.
I think 10% of people believe nearly anything. It’s basically the rounding error for a survey.
Honestly, if you had asked me 10 minutes ago “Is MacOS based on Linux?” I would have gotten it wrong. But if you asked “Is MacOS based on UNIX or Linux?” I would have gotten it right.
Isnt
zshthe default macos shell?It has been since 2019 but before that it was bash.
I just got around to switching last month
They switched to bash in 2003 with Mac OS X 10.3; before that it was tcsh.
I liked tcsh. It was my favourite shell.
why past tense?
It is now, but it was
bashbefore.But in any case once you start doing anything remotely advanced you’ll find the individual command line utilities are wildly different between macOS and Linux. They seem (are?) much closer to FreeBSD than GNU utilities.
Closer, maybe. Similar, not.
Yea, because Apple is allergic to GPL
Look I love GPL to death but I’m not going to pretend that every OS vendor on the planet needs to give away everything for free.
You can like two things at once, and in my case I love my walled garden, commercial OS for end-user stuff as well as Linux for networking gear and servers. I used desktop Linux for awhile but at the end of the day I like things like Airdrop, AirPlay and the seamlessness of it all.
Honestly, I like BSD operating systems more so than Linux ones despite the licensing arrangements. Linux is open as hell (obviously) but it’s super disorganized. I haven’t found a package manager I like as much as
pkg(especially installing binary packages and compiled from source packages side by side with shared libraries).Looking forward to being downvoted to hell for having a differing view of Linux than all the recent Windows converts.
Yeah, it’s always fun to find out that a standard looking util on osx actually requires weird args and syntax.
I’m mostly used to it now. Though
-ris supported in macOS’rmcommand I still prefer-Rand use it even on Linux where I believe-ris the preferred argument.
I mean it’s kind of like the “humans evolved from monkeys” or whatever primate you want to substitute for monkey. No, they branched off from a common ancestor though.
I mean lots of people get mixed up between BSD, Linux, UNIX, and all the variations over the years. Is MacOS a version of Linux? No. Is a human a type of ape? No. Are MacOS and Linux way, way closer than either are to Windows, hell yes. Just like people are way closer to being monkeys than swallows. There’s a lot of mixed breeding in both examples and a lot of total incompatibilities as well.
Humans are apes.
Except humans aren’t just any apes, humans are great apes.
Given the topic, this distinction is highly relevant.
Go back and read the first post in the chain again…
Are humans based on apes or great apes?
Not me, I am a damn dirty ape.
Is a human a type of ape? No.
12% of humans believe we aren’t apes
Edit: hopeful the number is actually this low
12% of humans believe we aren’t apes
All humans are apes, those people more so than most.
It’d help if Lunduke were to explain the true origin of those things like Ada Lovelace and programming, and Grace Hopper and the moth. And what predated that.
