Is anyone here using a (non-Android) linux Smartphone? Curious what type of phones y’all are using and what your experience has been.

  • solrize@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    I used a Nokia N800 and later an N9. Both were painfully slow though otherwise pretty cool. Neither is usable now, due to the 3G mobile networks having been phased out in the US.

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      2 months ago

      Worldwide. The whole world is on the process of killing 3g.

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        Yeah there just isn’t much attraction to using those old phones over wifi though. The N800 is basically a tiny Debian box and maybe I could think of a cool use for that, but tmux, raspberry pi, meshtastic gizmos, etc all compete too. Neither phone is able to usefully run a web browser. I used to be on talk.maemo.org which is where users of those phones hung out, but that site shut down some years ago.

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    2 months ago

    I have a Xiaomi Mi A2 that I ran ubuntu touch on. The camera didn’t work, and it was based on ubuntu 16.04. They’ve dropped support for it now. It was not ready to be a daily driver.

    I should be getting a poco x3 nfc in the mail tomorrow. It should have excellent support on both postmarketos and ubuntu touch. I don’t expect it to be a daily driver, but I can’t get the idea out of my head. I don’t like where iOS and Android are headed.

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    2 months ago

    Yes, running OnePlus 6 with Mobile NixOS (actually mostly just NixOS with a couple modules from mobile NixOS). I will try to make the config public when I get it into a less rough state. It’s… useable as a daily phone, but barely so.

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      I got a oneplus 6 to install nixos, but I’m currently using LineageOS as I kind of got stuck on the nixos install, and I needed a phone. I previously had nixos on a pinephone and it was cool but too slow to use seriously.

      I have a second oneplus 6 with a wonky usb port, am going to try to fix that and maybe give nixos another go. Sounds like its even more hassly than I thought!

    • Unusable 3151 ⁂@lemmy.ml
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      I also have a OnePlus 6 with Mobile NixOS. I haven’t been able to get audio or camera to function, so it’s just a toy on m desk at the moment. Other than that and a few UI quirks, it’s serviceable.

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        Audio works for me (with pulseaudio). The camera doesn’t work for me either.

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      2 months ago

      I can’t even get wire guard to work and he’s writing his own scripts for a Linux phone. How do I get this knowledge?

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        2 months ago

        Honestly, it’s mostly just trying shit out, breaking your install and fixing it, and having fun. In the grand scheme of things doing all that stuff is not that difficult, mostly tedious; my day job involves more complex and often interesting problems. It’s just gluing together things which other people wrote, looking at what breaks, and either fixing it properly or just hacking it together with perl.

        Finally, I can confide to you that I’ve spent half a day getting wireguard working on that very phone a couple months ago, only to find out it was because I didn’t poke the right holes in the firewall :)

      • S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 months ago

        When I.lernt coding backnin the 2000s we had the term “Horas de aplanar el culo” (hours of flattening ass) shit takes time, patience, perseverance and the humility of always remember that some possibly asian kid did it in a fraction of the time with a fraction of the body hair you have. But that doesn’t invalidate what you did.

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          It’s accelerating now. I hang out on App subs and people say shit like ‘it took me a whole month to develop this app’, some even do it in ‘days’.

          I’ve just released and it took me three years. I’m sure their apps are Ai slop, but that’s what I’m competing with.

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    2 months ago

    I went from Sailfish, to Ubuntu phone, back to Sailfish,
    then bought a Pinephone due to the war,
    not knowing if the Finnish company would survive
    before going back to Sailfish.

    Pinephone, despite it being the most linux of phones, used up too much battery power.
    Ubuntu phones were already miles better.

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    2 months ago

    I was using the nokia N900 since it was first released and then I’d buy new or used ones every couple years when it broke. Apparently some factory in China made a bunch of extras. That lasted about a decade.

    Then when the librem5 was first announced I sent them some money. Funny enough that after that Pine64 both announced and finished developing their pinephone before the librem5 got released. So I got one of those and then one of the pinephone pros.

    Eventually the librem5 came out and I’ve been using that since then. The functionality of the switches makes all the difference for me. That, and the extra thickness makes it more portable and easier to use and handle than the pinephones.

    Nothing has come close to competing with the N900. That has been the best cell phone I have ever had by a lot… since I got my first winmobile phone back in 2002. It was the perfect size and the keyboard was extremely functional. The stylus was super handy as well, although you typically never needed it, but it did make using more desktop type software on a small touch screen a lot more handy.

    The impression that I get from modern linux smartphone developers is that almost none of them have any experience outside of the limited design model of iphone and android phones. So even if they are aware of the N900 and what they are, they don’t have an understanding of what has been lost when Steve Jobs insisted that not having a keyboard was a “good thing” just because they wanted to cut manufacturing costs. Remember, this is the guy that use to insist that mice should only have 1 button. I’m an artist, I like aesthetics too, but functionality comes first when you are developing tools.

    To summarize the strengths of the N900 outside of running linux: the small overall pocket friendly size, the fold out keyboard was easy to use when needed and out of the way when not needed. The stylus wasn’t needed for software designed for the mobile platform, but it made all the difference when using software not made for the mobile platform. That and the hardware keyboard. When you got all that functionality built in, you don’t have to fake it on an overly large screen that barely fits in your pocket. And that screen does a crap job of it.

    Sorry about the rant. I’ve developed strong opinions on this topic over the last couple decades.

    As for my current use… mostly I’ve moved away from using a smartphone as much. Its not healthy and isn’t an efficient tool for doing computer stuff. And as I mentioned, they aren’t that portable since they’re so damn big now. They make them thin now, but that just makes them harder to use/hold and doesn’t increase the room in your pocket any. I now find doing phone calls with a voip setup to be easier. I got everything routed through my email inbox and find that to be easiest.

    Most people aren’t going to agree with me on this. Most people first learned the iphone/droid model and they base their opinions on that.

  • Ember James@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    I am also looking for a linux smart phone at the moment. I have not found many that don’t seem to be sold out, or aren’t quite there yet.

    If I find anything promising I will edit.

  • uKale@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I daily drive Ubuntu Touch on a Fairphone 5. It’s not without quirks, but I like the experience. Many practical and nice native apps, Android app support through Waydroid, banking and things that would require Google Play verification I solve through the browser. Fairly good battery life, VoLTE is solved for the FP5 and some other models (which has been an issue with many Linux phones) and the community is very active solving issues and helping each other day and night.

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      2 months ago

      Warning: the devs of waydroid said it should never be trusted for sensitive use, due to security issues

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    2 months ago

    I wanted PinePhone to work decently so I could daily drive it but when I got it it was already far behind from my old phone hardware-wise. PostmarketOS had run roughly. It was kinda usable but I couldn’t manage to use Signal on it (it was a desktop app that time). GPS wasn’t working either. 2 most important things for me. Battery life was also abysmal.

    This was years ago though, PostmarketOS is probably much much better now. I sold that PinePhone so I don’t know its current state. I wouldn’t expect more from what I tried.

    If I’m gonna get a Linux phone now, I want to see a good Android app emulation. At least until we get real alternatives. I still need a couple apps from Aurora Store. F-Droid apps have a better chance to be ported to Linux from Google Play ones anyway.

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
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      Really sad about the Pinephone, because you know what Pine did SO WELL? The PineTime. That device is still incredible and has lasted me a long time.

      It shows time, and it shows messages, even a decent heartrate monitor! Built like a tank, too. I wish more of their products could be this awesome.

  • glitching@lemmy.ml
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    oneplus 6T and poco F1 on mobian and postmarketOS. SDM845 devices with 8 GB RAM and fast storage, about the peak of performance you can have nowadays for about $50 apiece. I’d encourage anyone to get a cheap device, fun to play around with and prepare for the day when it becomes viable. ubuntu touch is also possible, but since it’s halium (like android + linux VM) it wants me to downgrade to Android 9 which is virtually impossible for me; the former two run full linux kernels and don’t have that limitation - spotty hardware support, though.

    performance is acceptable, the power to do almost anything you want, access whatever and whenever you want. I run it without broadband, just wifi. the cameras are unusable. since I keep the modem off, GPS doesn’t work either. so it’s a linux laptop with touch, basically. the apps are a shitshow, rarely will you find one that supports touch and adapts to the vertical zoomed-in screen.

    but it’s getting better, shit’s way better now than it was only a year ago and eventually it’ll get there.

    as long as you’re aware it’s not an android alternative, you’ll have a good time.

  • HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org
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    2 months ago

    Sony Xperia III with Sailfish OS flashed on it. Running Android emulation for a few apps like local public transport, K9 Mail. No Google.

    Nice thing its easily programmable in Python / Guile / Rust. Plus has a FLOSS Linux app store.

    I also have a Gemini PDA with a physical keyboard, which runs Sailfish as well. It’s nice to use vim on it.

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    2 months ago

    I intend to get a Fairphone 5 or 6 and test-drive Ubuntu Touch on it, hoping to daily drive it… but it’s all theoretical at this point. If I can’t get a real Linux distro to do everything I want reliably, Lineage OS is my fallback plan. I believe in the Fairphone mission, so that’ll be my next hardware purchase either way

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    2 months ago

    I have a pinephone for wifi and my SIM is in a CatB40 that only does calls/sms.

  • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ@piefed.zip
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    2 months ago

    I just fat-fingered myself into a need for a new phone. I’d really like to get away from Android, but I’ve yet to hear anyone say any smartphone running Linux is ready for daily driving.

    😢

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      I have been waiting for 10 years or more. And it still isn’t. It will never be unfortunately.

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          Facts. At first there was such an enthusiastic Android crowd who was having so much fun with it. (Not to mention contributing TONS of free labor and promotion.)

          And now Google is just saying “NO! NOT YOURS! WE’RE GREEN APPLE NOW!”

          I hope those actual genius nerds who love user-centric tech accelerate an alternative just out of sheer spite at this point.

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            Tbh I would love to tinker around with my 3-year-old phone and get something working (I believe it was running Android 12 on last update), but I don’t necessarily have the time, willingness, or even knowledge of where to start. I’m a hobbyist programmer who mostly does full-stack web development these days with a sprig of application programming on Desktop. I’ve never even tried to go into mobile tech, and when I did, it was for small things like a Raspberry Pi which is essentially an ARM computer that can run mostly anything an AMD computer can. Phones aren’t like that.

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          Really, its a function of how many of us give these companies money to buy their hardware

          So, yeah, the shittier android gets, the more of us jump ship. The more of us jump ship, the better the ecosystem becomes.

    • toynbee@lemmy.world
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      Huh, I’ve never noticed you write a message without the need to replace a “th” before.

      • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ@piefed.zip
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        Sometimes, sentences come togeþer wiþ so many in a row I feel self-conscious. More rarely, I produce one, or none.

        You become hyper-aware of how heavily English relies on “th” when you walk þis paþ.

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    I just got myself a fairphone gen 6. I want to put postmarket OS on it, but had a kind of rough start. Haven’t gotten it working yet :(

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          Postmarket OS isn’t? Oh whoa, I just checked for myself, I had no idea, thought it was aosp too!

          Cool, thanks for the correction.

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            Yeah. Seen this story before. Google will shit all over AOSP, and it will slowly start hurting more and more. Thought I’d give a full blown Linux mobile distro a go this time around. Maybe even get to contribute some