The best one I’ve ever heard is they like the Microsoft wallpapers. Yes i told them you can use them on linux too. But they argued with me that they wouldn’t be compatible.
My grandfather’s reason for it. “It will be too different from my current system”
… the only thing he does is the web browser, and bookworm deluxe which i have confirmed does work via wine. I was recommending him install an OS called q4os, which I have on my laptop, I showed him the side by side comparison of q4os vs windows. For a point of reference this is what q4os looks like
I think he is too scared of change.
my parents were open to try it, and theyre still happy they didnt have to buy a new win11 laptop
I still don’t know how Wine works and I’m a Linux advocate.
That’s on you
It’s pretty simple actually. Mine runs the program as it would normally and whenever the program reaches out to say “create this file” or “load this font” for example Wine will grab that call and translate it into a Linux OS command. As long as the program gets all their Windows API calls and windows specific files requests satisfied it will happily continue.
This is why ARM support is such a hassle for wine since the processor is with a different architecture so the compiled binary needs to be translated as well with all the nuances.
I have never managed to get any exe to start with wine and god i have tried. I have no idea why it never works but a menu comes up and i can choose a lot of stuff, nothing in there works so i have just given up. Putting things and run through steam is stupid but works so i just run everything through steam 😂 Wish I didn’t have to.
Being in this same boat with wine, and my ever-growing hate of Windows is what made me stay in Linux and never look back. I’ve been using everything linux-native for the last 9 years, and not once have I thought of using Windows again.
I do, however play games in Linux, ever since my wife got me a steam deck for my birthday 😁
It translates Windows API calls to X and POSIX API calls. Theoretically it comes with a performance hit but as benchmarks have shown that is usually not the case as both Wine and the entire system as a whole are more efficient than Windows. Wine will fail whenever an application requests an API call that is not implemented yet, sometimes copying DLLs from Windows helps, sometimes…
I’m still not great with Wine myself, but sit down for an afternoon and try out Bottles. https://www.howtogeek.com/running-windows-apps-on-linux-with-bottles/
I’m on Arch and even the wiki just recommends using the Flatpak. It’s pretty obvious once you get the hang of it, each Bottle is just it’s own little, specific Windows configuration. Try running through the example on that site and installing Notepad++ (or something else of your choice) and you’ll probably have an a-ha! moment.
yea but he wouldn’t need to handle that, I do all his setup, he just has to click the shortcut that opens the game just like he does currently.
What if the browser doesn’t work? It will work.
my motherboards drivers don’t come with windows, and so when i tried to install it and it forced me to connect to the internet, i just couldn’t. luckily i found a usb dongle to ethernet which worked ootb.
never had a weird mono driver issue like that on any linux distro i tried.
Some years ago, mentioning Linux for daily non-gaming use:
Guy: “Installing Linux is complicated though”
Me: “It wasn’t bad 10 years ago, and now it’s as hard as clicking Next a few times, even faster than Windows”
Guy: “Well duh, you have ten years of experience installing it!”
Difficult to argue with this non-logic.
My almost 70yr old mother installed mint herself. Her tech literacy level is Word Processing with a dash of Solitaire.
Why you out there telling people to install it? Those who want it will find it. This isn’t an evangelical mission.
This. I don’t mind what other use, nor I feel the need to be annoying AF telling them what they should do.
Isn’t it?
The arguments of preference and convenience are falling by the wayside as megacorporations take more and more control over not just your hardware but your behavioral patterns by dictating what you can install and how it functions. They suck up all your personal, private data for AI training without your consent.
I get it, shit sucks. It really does, but we have to remember who is to blame here and it’s not each other. There has to be some urgency here because this is a battle and we, the consumers, the ordinary people, are surely losing. It’s not about being holier than thou, it’s about lifting each other up.
If Linux gets popular the mega corps will just follow them there and then you’ll be asking them to uninstall Dell os or at least remove the Linux recall (powered by bing) that it comes bundled with. Just look at the modern state of android.
Android is the way it is because Google is close sourcing more and more of what makes Android useful as a mobile OS. It would be infinitely harder for some megacorp to do the same thing for a desktop OS.
Yeah like, holy shit the pseudo religious bullshit here is getting annoying. I like Linux, I am supremely unlikely to ever even touch a windows system again (minus the occasional time where I might have to for work when accessing client systems) but this weird cult behavior is aggravating.
Do you have just a few minutes to chat about our lord and saviour Richard Stallman?
Can’t, whenever Stallman comes up I have to think back to the time where he while on stage, pulled something off his foot and ate it.
Eat of this toenail, for it is my flesh. Do this in remembrance of me.
for alot of people their relationship with windows is like that of an abusive partner. which is why you see alot of the same excuses pop up
“It’s old tech”
My friend said they didnt want to try linux on their laptop because they wanted to buy a new laptop.
I wish I had that problem, I’d jump at the chance to save $2000 and preserve my current device by switching to a free operating system.
Is there some agency out there that I am not aware of that stops you from buying new hardware if you are a Linux user?
One of my favourite things about Linux is that it runs so well on old hardware. I have some pretty old kit that still serves me well.
Bit it runs even better on more powerful hardware. No reason not to upgrade if you have the means.
Why are you using that shitty kitchen sink that came with the house? You can get a much better sink and install it yourself. Also, the audio system that came with your car sucks. Just install a new aftermarket one, it’s not that hard bro.
Except this is free
That helps, but switching to Linux often is much broader in scope than just the OS. People have time and money invested in software that doesn’t work in Linux. For example, it’s not trivial to switch from Photoshop to Gimp or Krita. In my case, I detest Windows and have many years of experience with Linux, but still begrudgingly dual boot to use Cubase because I haven’t gotten around to learning something that does work on Linux like Reaper. I also have expensive mocap software that only works on Windows, in addition to using MetaHuman Animator in Unreal Engine that still does not support Linux. I’ll probably get around to getting completely off Windows at some point, but even for me who is a die-hard Linux enthusiast, I have to prioritize my limited free time, so I can see where someone who isn’t would be like meh, I’ll just use Windows for now and not bother dual booting.
I also haven’t been successful getting my spouse to switch to Linux, who has only ever used Macs and thinks everything else is overly complicated. My father uses an iPad and a Windows machine for specialized software that won’t work on Linux and has zero interest in dual booting. My kid, on the other hand, has only ever used Linux and has no desire to use anything else.
I feel like most people don’t buy software anymore. Everything runs in the browser.
Like, nerds and enthusiasts and game playing people sure. But most people? Nah. It’s all Instagram, Facebook, tiktok, Reddit, YouTube. Maybe like roll20 if they’re a dnd nerd. Most people aren’t doing Photoshop or blender.
Only if you have a lot of free time and skills.
pretty much every widely used distro has a user-friendly installer and it takes less time than windows does to get installed in my experience
So? People just prefer to use something else. None of my business.
It really doesn’t require much aside from backing up, I can have a linux system up and running with a complete beginner in 30 minutes or so.
Me too. But I’m not going to bother people telling them what they “should” use. And I was talking about the “sink” example anyway.
Sure but these things are not remotely comparable.
“I don’t want to learn something new”
How tf am I supposed to respond to that?
“Linux isn’t made for professional use” - Colleague from Work who is an Apple stan. And yes he bought the Apple™ Cloth for iPhone.
This was quite a few years ago, but a friend of mine said he’d tried Linux but had switched back because some clipboard feature he was used to using didn’t work (sorry, I forget the details). He was a programmer to, so perfectly capable of troubleshooting or finding some alternative tool. I just stared at him dumbfounded.
I get him though, mouse wheel click for a secondary copy buffer is one of the main things that’s extremely annoying to me when I have to use Windows, I can never retrain my brain to stop doing it and I get annoyed that it doesn’t work until I remember why.
Sadly its really hard to change habits. But it goes both ways, every time I need to use windows I find myself grunting for every minor thing that doesn’t work as expected.
Devil’s advocate here. When people complain about phone calls, or going out in public, or being social, I think “it’s not hard.” I know for some people it is a massive hassle.
Apply that same sentiment to having to learn an OS that is irrelevant to your job or seems difficult or you’re not interested in.
“Never used Linux,” They say, typing on a chromebook or android phone, before picking up their steamdeck.
while browsing the web (hosted on linux).
Not to interject, but when people talk about using “Linux” they’re generally referring to desktop Linux (usually GNU/Linux). ChromeOS and SteamOS are Linux distros of a sort under the hood, but they’re also highly curated experiences. Android technically uses the Linux kernel but architecturally it’s so drastically different from basically any other system using it that it’s quite misleading to call it “Linux” in the colloquial sense.
Most silly excuse was my boss refusing to install Linux because he just had a friend give him original windows 98se licenses for the PCs we just bought for the company.
Well it gets less silly thinking that getting the eprom programmer software and orcad 4 working on Linux was probably impossible.
Then it was outright the best decision ever, because those machines never required a reinstall and worked flawless for the 5 years I was there working. Never understood the bad rep W98Se had. Never used it on my personal rigs of course.
If it came pre-installed on laptop majority wouldn’t mind.
That’s really the crux of it. M$ bought in back in the 80s and people are too damn lazy to change their defaults.
