Discord was already succumbing to enshitification. Now with their intention to be owned by Wall Street, that trajectory will certainly accelerate at warp speed once the change of hands happens.

Anyone already get ahead of this and find a solid alternative?

Right now I’m on the fence between Element for Matrix, and Revolt. Both seem to have their pros and cons and I can’t find a clear “winner”.

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      Jitsi-meet is already using xmpp under the hood.

      But there are some efforts to add multi-user video calls to full xmpp clients as well. Dino can already do it for a while, and Movim and Libervia recently added experimental support.

      Its not quite a full Discord replacement, but for private groups it works quite well.

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        Isn’t the video the jingle part that Google added to jabber originally (before it dumped everything to remake it from the group up about 4 more times like a GSoC crossed over with groundhogDay)?

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          Today xmpp uses a distant relative of those original jingle specifications, which have been modernized to use Webrtc.

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          Movim does, for Libervia and Dino I am not 100% sure right now, but at least for Libervia the browser version should have it as it is really more of a general Webrtc browser feature than client specific.

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      The problem is that performant screenshare (to multiple users) more or less requires infrastructure. That requires money, and it’s impossible to compete on price with services that have the VC-enshitification model.

      You can get around this in a few ways, but they’re all tradeoffs that are in some way or other worse than discord.

      • P2P - sacrifice latency, reliability
      • direct multi-stream - sacrifice PC performance and/or bitrate
      • paid infrastructure - sacrifice money
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        I think P2P is still the way to go. Sure it’s not perfect, but it’s simpler and by it’s very nature doesn’t require the infrastructure we know will be a problem.

        Plus, don’t forget screen sharing in discord isn’t very good as is (720p30) if you’re not a paid user.

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      2 months ago

      honestly that isnthe only thing that stopd me from going all in on teamspeak/mumble

      i just need a screen sharing solution (not necessarily built into those tools)

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      TeamSpeak recently added screen share to their TS6 beta, however it currently only works on official servers provided by TeamSpeak; they have not yet released TS6 server software, only the client. To my understanding, they are thankfully still planning on releasing it though.

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    Ah this is so exciting!

    Discord ‘existing’ has held back development motivation on Foss Federated Communication alternatives.

    When they go public only good things will happen for projects like matrix :)

    I’m very excited!

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      I feel like matrix isn’t a one-to-one replacement. It’s a good slack replacement.

      I haven’t used matrix enough to know for sure but does it have the discord equivalent of servers?

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        those are called spaces there. but there’s no flexible roles system. also no hop-on voice channels yet, but that’s a client feature so maybe that’s a bit different

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      Matrix is cool but it really suffers from complexity.

      The spec is a mess because they keep expanding it.

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    Matrix is the way. It’s federated and you can have your own server.

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      Matrix is spectacularly cursed to the point of being unusable if you self-host it. The protocol is dumb enough to lock you out of rooms hosted on another server forever if anything goes wrong with the key rotation.

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    Element/matrix all the way

    if you want something that looks like discord there are themes for the clients, there’s even commet.chat for a discord like experience (but they haven’t added calls yet)

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    revolt developers have openly said they aren’t a free speech platform and argue constantly amongst themselves. I’d do Matrix

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    This would be the perfect time for someone to throw up a nice UI for a webrtc based voice chat platform in the browser. Nothing to install, no crazy permission/server setup. Just create a room and invite your friends. Boom, team based voice chat.

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    If you’re self hosting, it’s Revolt. But the default instance limits you to 20mb or something for files, which is a problem for me, personally.

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      Cancelled mine when they redesigned the mobile app anyway. I don’t want a different interface on mobile vs desktop. I want a unified experience, which was their original purpose.