I’ve been using Linux exclusively for about 8 years. Recently I got frustrated with a bunch of issues that popped one after another. I had a spare SSD so I decided to check out Windows again. I’ve installed Windows 11 LTSC. It was a nightmare. After all the years on Linux, I forgot how terrible Windows actually is.
On the day I installed the system and a bunch of basic software, I had two bluescreens. I wasn’t even doing anything at that time, just going through basic settings and software installation. Okay, it happens. So I installed Steam and tried to play a game I’ve been currently playing on Linux just to see the performance difference. And it was… worse, for some reason. The “autodetect” in game changed my settings from Ultra to High. On Linux, the game was running at the 75 fps cap all the time. Windows kept dropping them to around 67-ish a lot of times. But the weirdest part was actual power consumption and the way GPU worked. Both systems kept the GPU temperature at around 50C. But the fans were running at 100% speed at that temperature on Windows, while Linux kept them pretty quiet. I had to change the fan controls by myself on Windows just because it was so annoying. The power consumption difference was even harder to explain, as I was getting 190-210W under Linux and under Windows I got 220-250W. And mind you, under Linux I had not only higher graphical settings set up, but was also getting better performance.
I tried connecting my bluetooth earbuds to my PC. Alright, the setup itself was fine. But then the problems started. My earbuds support opus codec for audio. Do you think I can change the bluetooth codec easily, just like on Linux? Nope. There is no way to do it without some third party programs. And don’t even get me started on Windows randomly changing my default audio output and trying to play sound through my controller.
Today I decided to make this rant-post after yet another game crashed on me twice under Windows. I bought Watch Dogs since it’s currently really cheap on Steam. I click play. I get the loading screen. The game crashed. I try again. I play through the basic “tutorial”. After going out of the building, game crashed again. I’m going to play again, this time under Linux.
I’ve had my share of frustrations under Linux, but that experience made me realise that Windows is not a perfect solution either. Spending a lot of time with Linux and it’s bugs made me forget all the bad experience in the past with Windows, and I was craving to go back to the “just works” solution. But it’s not “just works”. Two days was all it took for me to realize that I’ll actually stick with Linux, probably forever. The spare SSD went back to my drawer, maybe so I can try something new in the future. It’s so good to be back after a short trip to the other side!
This was sorta my fault, but I’m counting it. I have been flashing meshtastic devices recently and flashed two just fine from fedora (just had to DL ungoogled chromium because fuck chrome but librewolf can’t access serial ports so…), tried to flash a third from my friend’s windows PC and it just would not recognize it in the serial monitor, tried for like an hour being dumb, then I remembered drivers exist, downloaded one set of drivers, couldn’t install lord knows why, downloaded a second set that finally worked on a reboot and got it flashed.
I understand that sometimes you still have to install drivers on Linux too, but can we stop pretending you don’t have to on windows? What’s more while I was in there and edge wasn’t using my serial port my friend said to install a chrome based anyway to try, and I had to find the damn download pages instead of using a package manager, philistines.
I can’t relate to this at all.
We use windows machines as software developers at work and really have no issues at all. Never had a bluescreen in these two years.
I use windows at home to play Factorio, Minecraft, and RDR2. Again, never had an issue. No blue screens. I turn it on open steam and play my games then turn it off when done.
I tried Linux again cause I got sucked in by this echo chamber and that did not go well at all. I explicitly said I don’t want to have to be a nerd in my free time to manage Linux which I was assured isn’t the case. Then one day I turn it on and have no sound and no idea why it just died. I swiftly removed Linux and went back to windows.
I do use Linux for servers for Jellyfin and stuff and I like it for those things, but me personally have had a better experience using windows and I can’t understand all these people against it.
Was windows dev for 10 years, I switched to Linux for work and I’m never going back : everything is simpler (may not be easier though) and makes sense whereas you constantly work against the system in windows. It’s an opinion so widespread they even made a subsystem to use Linux tools on windows. As a user windows installation is an utter nightmare, getting rid of the thousands stuff you don’t want is horrible. And also you may not even be able to install it without special ssd drivers that you have to side load manually (for some pretty basic asus hardware) Also don’t get me started on the nearly mandatory microsoft account 🤢
You don’t have to get rid of all the stuff, it doesn’t break the system like missing sounds or whatnot. Some of its even helpful like weather and news. Plus it isn’t that hard to make a Microsoft account, don’t you need one anyway for Minecraft? And since when do you need drivers for an SSD, don’t those usually work out of the box?
I’d summarize the current OS situation as
Windows Just Works until it doesn’t, at which point there’s basically nothing you can do about it and you just have to kick it until something clicks into place and it starts working properly again.
Whereas linux Just Works to a slightly smaller degree, but when it stops Just Working it does so in granular steps most of the time, and every part of the ecosystem tries to help you fix things when they break.
Windows is a resin-potted black box that takes input and does stuff, if it breaks you’re supposed to just chuck it and buy a new one.
Linux is a slightly bulkier thing that you can just unscrew and replace a capacitor when it breaks.Have a different experience. Usually, Linux does not even boot, due to driver issues, in the first place. So, the first installation process usually easily takes 5 to 10 hours, straight. And this is only for common popular distributions, not to mention lesser known and lesser supported ones. (Talking about Linux GUI based installations, only.)
I almost never had Linux not boot after a fresh install, even with nVidia hardware. It happened a few times like 10 years ago and never again. What hardware are you running?
Happened to me all the time, when, for example, setting up very generic and common laptops for family & friends. It never worked out of the box. Every single time, I had to give special treatment. Research extra drivers, etc… Hard to do in some locations, when they do not have a second system to do all the work from.
Laptops have historically been a little iffy yeah. Personally I haven’t had many issues except for Nvidia optimus, but since most of them are non standard and proprietary it used to be kind of a pain. Now though it’s much better, at least on newer hardware, even my newest laptop with hybrid graphics just worked out of the box.
Lol “the main computer market is iffy”
Historically, yeah. Nowadays (as in the last 2-3 years) I don’t really see many issues. It’s fairly solid in my experience.
And let’s be honest, Windows is a nightmare as well on many laptops. If you wipe them and start from scratch, there is a non zero chance that you’ll have to source like half the drivers manually.
To get to a working state you’re very likely to be fine. They’re all using Intel wifi and some elan touchpad, so the basics work well enough to bootstrap up to your vendors website.
For this hypothetical activity most people never think about doing.
Tried it over many years. Last one was last year. Every time, the same problem. I even considered moving to Windows, but it would be tougher for me to administrate for me, as I’m used to headless Linux. It’s just, whenever Linux tries to GUI, it fucks up everything colossaly.
I just don’t see it. I run it on all my PCs with nvidia, amd, hybrid graphics, pretty much any combination (I have too many 😅). It works. Even various friends of mine have tried it on their older setups, no problems there either.
Unless you’re using something like Debian or whatever with crazy old packages, everything works for the most part. Nvidia is still not great on Wayland but it at least works now.
I’m not saying your experience isn’t valid, I’m not trying to gaslight you, but I’m not sure it’s representative of the average experience nowadays.
Yeah, I am very familiar with Debian on servers. It works great on servers. Have experienced with all kinds of stability stages regarding Debian.
However, Desktop Debian usually does not work. Then I switch to the one, which should work the easiest, so Ubuntu or some derivative. And this usually still needs tons of troubleshooting over hours to make it work to a minimum standard…
What PCs? Certified by some Linux supporting company? If you buy a random laptop or pre-made PC, chances are high, that it won’t work. And I’m not even a “beginner”, who does “beginner” mistakes. No, I’m actually a Linux pro. I work with Linux literally every single day, even in my free time.
yeah no i’m sorry but this just sounds completely fucking made up
What do you need as proof? All I have to do, is getting a random laptop, doesn’t matter which one and I will make a video for you. Is that enough?
Over the past 5 years, I’ve installed ubuntu about 30 times on different computers. Not once has an install on an SSD taken me more than an hour, with it typically taking me 30 minutes or less except for rare occasions where I’ve messed something up.
It’s not about the speed of the installation… It’s about the installation not working. Crashes. Hard to see error logs. Drivers missing for the most generic hardware, ever. No, I’m not talking about an unmaintained fringe distribution. I’m talking about Ubuntu, Lubuntu & Debian. Plain old stable and simple.
Only if you refuse to put forth the same effort into fixing windows as you do with Linux. Not wanting to learn doesn’t mean it’s not learnable.
I just installed Linux Mint yesterday. Can’t wait to get home to continue playing around with it. I like it so far!
Using Windows since Windows XP was sired. Using Linux for longer than that, mostly Linux servers, but have tons of years of Linux Desktop experience under my belt, with probably half of all Linux distributions on DistroWatch.com.
Conclusion: Linux server rocks. Windows Desktop sux in many ways, but it just works and I personally have no issues with it. Linux Desktop is the worst hell possible. Barely ever works. It is literal hell and I hate it.
Whenever I try to get into Linux Desktop, I have to meditate and drink a de-stressing tea beforehand, or else I cannot guarantee the laptop’s or PC’s screen’s safety, when dealing with Linux Desktop.
For anyone attempting to comment: note, that there is a huge difference between headless server Linux usage and Linux Desktop/GUI usage. I’m only talking about Linux GUI. Linux headless is fine and works great!
But did you try (the distro I personally prefer)? I’ve tried 500 distros and that one is the one that actually worked for me.
Welcome back to sanity
fresh install of windows 10 i have to turn my monitor on and off twice to get anything to display on my screens
What Linux distro are you using share Bluetooth and audio “just works”?
Probably the DE more than the distro, for me Bluetooth has “just worked” under KDE
It’s interesting seeing the variety of experiences in this thread. I definitely had to fight Linux to get it setup and stable on my machine, but ever since then it’s been rock solid in a way I’ve never experienced with a Windows install.
Windows has a mind of its own…and being at the mercy of their update cadence or w/e other nonsense Microsoft is pushing sucks.
Meanwhile on Linux, I’ve had two CPUs that have C-State/P-State issues (5900x, 1700x), some weirdness with my audio interface, and a GPP0 bug that interferes with sleep. All of them are fixed or managed on Bazzite now, and it took plenty of digging for docs/reddit threads but now it’s rock solid.
On Windows, any time I’ve needed to deal with the Microsoft Store I run into issues that require registry fixes, uninstall/reinstalling various things, etc. Sea of Thieves and Forza Horizon 5 had issues launching as a result on Windows but not on Linux.
Ultimately, not being under the Microsoft gun is such a relief that the initial battle is completely put out of my mind. I’ve had some instances where I’ll boot into Windows for games, or HDR/Atmos support more reliably for my living room setup, but they have gotten rarer and rarer over the past couple of months.
For the record, Sea Of Thieves is also available as a standalone purchase through Steam, bypassing the Microsoft Store and their half abandoned UWP format entirely. Never had any issues with the Steam version on Windows.
Honestly I think this may have happened on the Steam version for me, I ended up reinstalling on Linux same-day and didnt have the same issue.
IIRC it had something to do with the Xbox Game Bar/App registry entries that still applied to the Steam version. I had definitely used the UWP version before though, so it’s possible it was that or that had contributed.
But downloading it on Bazzite and just having it work was…a little bizarre to experience.
The microsoft store sells games? I thought that was only used to occasionally update your xbox for pc controllers by grabbing the xbox accessories app. Never seen the microsoft store otherwise.
I think the Xbox App somewhat serves content through the Microsoft Store, I definitely had to troubleshoot between the two for a couple things.
They do sell games as well. I think I got an episode of the Batman Telltale series through it for free, though much like Epic managing an additional library with less features/support is usually not worth it for me.
Ah sorry, guess I should have tagged it as sarcastic.
Does Sea of Thieves work on Linux? I thought it had kernel anti-cheat.
It works! Looks like some people have run into issues with EAC but it worked without finicking around for me.
I disagree, as much as I wish it weren’t so. Compared to Linux from the perspective of this gamer, it does just work. I wish I could main Linux but I can’t handle any more critical boot issues or significant reductions in framerate. Not to mention that I cant easily auto-wol my lg tv “monitor” like I could from windows.
Oh speaking of monitors. How many times have I tried to use more than 2 monitors on Linux… Never worked. On Windows it’s a matter of plug & play and it just works. :)
Yeah, sadly some games still do not work well on linux. Recently I had issues with Talos principle 2, where it may randomly crash on loading screen.
Yeah, op just had a very rare experience.
See, I’ve had a similar experience getting games to run on Debian. Steam games crash and require research and testing to see if I can even get them to run, having some in-game videos just not play, black screens, and games just kinda freezing are all super common for me. That’s just when trying to run games via Proton.
I get some of it can be tied to a skill issue on my part, but at the end of the day I’m tired and don’t want to spend what little free time I have tinkering to get a game working, at least most days.
Still, my dislike for Windows 11 outweighs my interest in gaming so Debian stays.
I came to the same conclusion recently. Had a bunch of issues after i decided to try running windows 11 instead of 10 in a vm. One of them being that my usb dac refused to work, turns out after googling and finding a weird random chatgpt article that it was caused by a specific update. Had to roll the update back to solve it. Now i have to hope that they solve it before they decide to force the update on me anyways.
There is no perfect OS that just works for everyone. They are all software so they all have bugs. People how say an OS just works have never hit those bugs or have gotten used to fixing/working around or flat out ignoring them.
This is true of all OSs, including Windows, Linux and MacOS. They are all differently buggy messes.
Linux is the buggy mess that works best for me though.
Nothing is bug free, but that doesn’t mean everything is sort of the same just different flavor.
The last couple days I dealt with Windows, which is out of the ordinary for me. I had to build a little thing and chose PowerShell and that is quirky but ok at a glance. Now we are in 2025 and PowerShell is a modern thing, and kid you not you install a thing using
Module-Installand then you uninstall it usingModule-Uninstalland what happens? The thing is only gone partially and some broken remains stay. And then another curiosity comes up where after long rummaging it turns out that one user (Admin) simply cannot see another user’s mounted share - has microsoft ever heard of the concept of “permission denied”?That’s not a differently flavored bag of bugs, that is like decades of computing and software engineering hadn’t taken place
You can cherry-pick examples of problems from every OS. That is my point. They all have issues that you may or may not encounter and quite a few that would make people from other OSs scratch their head and think what the hell the devs are thinking. Pointing out one issue of one OS does not change any of that.
Which is proven by the other replys to your comment - others dont find this issue to be as show stopping as you do and just live with it or dont use it at all. How many issues do you do the same for on your favorite OS?
I use Powershell a lot at work, and I really like it. Especially compared to bash which gives me headaches when reading.
But yeah install-module and uninstall-module can sometimes be quirky. The easiest solution is to remove the files for the directory.
it turns out that one user (Admin) simply cannot see another user’s mounted share - has microsoft ever heard of the concept of “permission denied”?
I’m pretty sure the reason is that because the share is mounted using the users account and doesn’t affect anything else. It kinda makes sense for me because that is just the way Windows works ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Two users can have different mapping so giving a permission denied doesn’t make a lot of sense since it simply doesn’t exist for the user.
Powershell, windows terminal and winget are all legitimately nice tools, powershell especially is just stupidly more powerful than it needs to be (and verb-noun syntax is great).
While that’s true, there are objectively different levels of ‘just working’ though.
I’ve never spent so little time googling how to fix things as I do with Ubuntu or Mint. It’s much more frequently needed and time consuming on other Linux OSs, iOS, Windows, Android. Haven’t personally used Mac.
Also, I’ve always found a fix on Ubuntu. The same can’t be said for other OSs.
That’s just personal examples, but the general idea still stands: different systems have a different amount of bugs, (or worse, ‘features’) and the difficulty of fixing them isn’t the same for everything either.
My point is the different levels of just working are subjective, not objective. I personally have spent far more time fixing bugs or just reinstalling ubuntu systems then I have over the same period for Arch systems. So many of my ubuntu installs just ended up breaking after a while where I have had the same Arch install on systems for 5+ years now. Could never get a Ubuntu system to last more then a year.
Everyone has different stories about the different OSs. It is all subjective.
That’s the first time I’m hearing this experience, thanks for the input! Changed my mind
Man I’d kill to be able to use all of the APT commands I see online. DNF forces me to know what I’m doing lol.
After switching to Silverblue a couple years ago I’ve used dnf, like, three times maybe. I find rpm-ostree even simpler than apt since it’s easy to tell what additional packages I’ve installed, it’s trivial to remove them, and I’ve never had a dependency issue.
Overall, I’m happy with Linux for everything. But it is a hard sell for your average person when you have to change the init configurations for every single game you download (even if it’s just for enabling gamemode).
Also I’m am very curious as to how you even got a bluescreen. I don’t even remember when I last saw one.
you have to change the init configurations for every single game you download (even if it’s just for enabling gamemode)
I haven’t had to do this for a single game I’ve played. Am I lucky? What does “gamemode” do? (Am I missing out on something?)
The worst I’ve had to do to get a game to work was change to “Proton Experimental” in the compat settings for one game that had basically just launched. (I also remember the EA launcher being terrible when I played “It Takes Two” with my partner, but I don’t remember what was terrible about it and also remember them having problems on Windows so I don’t know if it should count or not, lol). My partner is still using Windows, and we game together a lot, and honestly I think they have games crash far more often than I do. Games take longer to launch for me though - “Processing Vulkan Shaders” takes up to a minute or two if it is the first launch since boot of a larger game. No idea what happens if I skip it, so I don’t.
It’s honestly been such a breath of fresh air, I am so grateful for the talented people making this shit work so well, especially in the last several years.
I’m not unsatisfied and I very much appreciate the work put into proton, but it’s rather lame how common it is to have small problems that require tweaking. Just a few days ago I had to do the gamemode thingy(which slightly improves performance and tends to fix some performance issues) on Elden ring since I was getting small but noticeable stutters when moving about, and that’s a verified game.
I don’t mind putting in a bit of work to get something specific I want set up, but there’s a reason people want things to just work when it comes to their pastimes, and I feel Linux is still a bit far from that.
PS: I have no idea if Bazzite and other gaming distros have this issues, I use a general use one.
I really can’t answer that either I’m afraid, as I’m using one of the “gaming distros” (Garuda Linux) and just haven’t had anything but good luck with it really. I tried Bazzite on my laptop, but was having some nvidia driver issues and decided to try Garuda before diving into trying to fix it and, well, Garuda “just worked”. The last general use distro I used was Manjaro probably 5ish years ago and I hated it, had nothing but troubles (and have since learned that Manjaro is kind of notorious for falling apart).
Also I’m am very curious as to how you even got a bluescreen. I don’t even remember when I last saw one.
That’s the thing - I wasn’t really doing anything. I had my web browser open, had steam running in the background. I moved my mouse around and then got jumpscared with a blue screen saying “unexpected store exception”. I even managed to catch the blue screen on camera and send it to my friend to make that “windows just works” joke.
I just reinstalled and configured Windows for a friend who’s machine was hacked, so my frustration with Microsoft is very fresh. (She lost 8 thousand dollars of her savings she’s still trying to get back.) After years of using Linux I feel like I’m being punished every time I help someone with their Windows machine.
/Rant
These things in particular drive me nuts:
- Sending everything users do and type (including passwords) back to Microsoft. It’s called spyware when other companies do it.
- Flooding 1/2 the screen with web results when a search is done from the start menu. I’m looking for an installed program, not a potato recipe.
- Requiring a registry edit to turn that web search off and lots of other simple things that use to be configurable in settings.
- Placing ads throughout the operating system and making it difficult to turn those ads off.
- Forcing the use of the Edge browser no matter what users choose.
- Preventing the removal of unwanted programs without editing the registry.
- Forcing upgrades at Microsoft’s convenience.
- Force restarts of the operating system causing data loss for (likely) millions of users.
- Removing more and more user settings with each new OS release.
- Burying commonly used menu items multiple menus deep.
- Preventing the removal of Start menu items. I will never use the Xbox Game Bar no matter how many time I’m forced to see it.
/
That sucks about your friend. I can relate.
Scammers hacked my elderly mother on her windows laptop. They tricked her with an ad saying there was a problem with her computer, and they had her install remote access software. She mentioned seeing the terminal so I assumed they installed (at least) a keylogger. Luckily, they either ran out of time, or their con took two days, but they said they were going to call my mom the next day and have her log in to the bank to make sure her computer was still working.
So, I wiped her computer and installed Linux Mint with auto updates set up. She only had one simple question about logging in to google chrome and that’s been it for the last month. She has just been using it no problem.
Side note: The next day the scammers had the nerve to call my mom and ask her why her computer was turned off.
My friend got a call from “Best Buy” technical support saying they’d noticed her computer was slow and followed their instructions to set up remote access. Unfortunately she didn’t realize that there was anything to be worried about. It wasn’t until months later when she left the computer on and unattended that the scammers took control. Fidelity wired the money out of her account before she saw the notification and Fidelity has been jerking her around ever since. She’s still badly shaken.
I’d put her on Mint, but as much as I enjoy her company I don’t want to be permanent tech support for her computer.
Sending everything users do and type (including passwords) back to Microsoft. It’s called spyware when other companies do it.
Do you have any proof that Microsoft keylogs you? That’s quite a serious claim.
Have you tried a Google search?
Your claim, your burden.
LOL! You’ve got a very long wait. I suggest you hold your breath.
This is very unproductive for discussion
Anyone who’s so lazy they literally refuse to type the same words used in their comment into a search engine doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. There are lots of adults on Lemmy, but apparently we have a few children too.
It isn’t about laziness it’s about principles.
I simply won’t argue with someone that refuses to provide their sources. Doesn’t matter if they say something dubious about Windows, say that vaccines cause autism, or that the earth is flat.
What if he used sign language and could still hold his breath?
Tempted to put this through let me google that for you just to be smug, but here’s the direct link instead since I’m sure I’d also need to click the results for you. Do I need to read this to you too?
https://windowsreport.com/disable-keylogger-windows-11/
Not even my claim, yet I googled it for you. Guess the burden is on a third party who happened to know this common knowledge already.
Recall?
Windows is so annoying like why does it always display word, excel etc when I don’t own it. These are paid programs that I do not own they should not be coming up in search results when I’m looking for a word processor.
I used to work for a Fortune 500 tech company that dealt with thousands of other businesses. Someone on the executive team decided that everyone in the company should be actively pushing our products every time they had customer contact. Customer calls about a bill? Sell them something. They have a major problem and are angry about it? Sell them something. Need to use their bathroom? Sell them something.
It just irritated our customers and didn’t result in any more sales. It seems that executive got a job at Microsoft.
oh the times ive seen people at my work try an sell soemthing to an angry customer. It always fails and results in the customer being pissed off and insulted. It should be obvious that if someone is paying you to solve a problem and your software is not working and causing them to complain they are not in the mood to buy another thing to solve the problem they are already paying you to solve.
Forcing upgrades at Microsoft’s convenience.
This is the only one I agree with. Upgrades are necessary for security, it’s just a fact of life.
The problem isn’t the updates. The problem is microsoft downloading things and restarting my pc without my consent (annoying me until I say “fine, do it” is not consent). No one but me decides when my machine installs updates and reboots. I know I’m putting myself at risk if I let my system fall behind on updates. That’s on me, it’s my computer, it is my right to make that decision.
absofuckinglutely.
The problem is, that most people would then not update, get issues, land in a thread like this, make propaganda against Windows, since something doesn’t work or is insecure, when in fact the problem is in front of the screen, who always denied the update, that fixes those issues… That is why upgrades are rightfully enforced. At some point, you gotta upgrade or stop using the system.
If i have to suffer because I’m a dumb dumb, that’s on me. I’m tired of suffering because other people are stupid.
It’s not just your decision though. Like vaccinations, your decision affects everyone else so it’s not your decision alone.
Nobody’s writing a NixOS virus to target me. Even if I download a linux virus it will probably complain about unmet dependencies
Not talking about viruses despite the vaccine comparison.
Software has vulnerabilities, even on NixOS.
Sure, all software has vulnerabilities, I just don’t think people will bother to exploit my particular software combination since it’s rare
NixOS is not special there. It runs the same software as any other Linux distro.
Vaccinations are pretty much your choice.
Sure. And this is why we have measles outbreaks still today.
On my kid’s laptop I was holding Windows 11 24H2 back because of Recall, but this week it just decided to install itself. Now it’s a Linux laptop.
See? They forced you to upgrade to Linux, now you’re more secure!
FYI: Recall is delayed and will only work on specific arm computers anyway. So you weren’t in at any immediate risk. Not arguing against installing Linux though. That’s great!
